Academic Kids:Votes for deletion/Sarah Marple-Cantrell

Delete: This girl is only notable thing is committing suicide. Though it is sad, are we gonna have a page for every person who commits suicide? That would be hundred of pages. Saopaulo1
- Comment (?): So what if we have hundreds of pages? A hundred pages at 30kb a page is 3 megabytes. Geocities gives more than that much storage space away to anyone who asks for it. -MTh
Keep. Her age makes a biiig difference. And what about the discussion about gun control? --Palapala 20:53, 2004 Jul 24 (UTC)
- Com: What about it? Did this suicide have a significant effect on the debate / on policy? It's a sad case, but not evidently notable. (Maybe there could be a memorial Wiki akin to the 9/11 wiki?). Ianb 21:12, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- comment: putting "Sarah Marple-Cantrell" brings up exclusively this article and copies on Wikipedia clones. "Sarah Montgomery Marple-Cantrell" brings up the site listed as an external link as well. I see no reference to the case in a wider context. Ianb 23:02, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Com: Today Rep. Todd Tiahrt's son committed suicide at 16. Should he have an article about him? I'm not being cold, just being practical. If pages like this isnt deleted it opens up a flood gate of other people who commited suicides. Maybe a wikimemorial is needed for suicide victims. Saopaulo1
  - Com (their 2nd presumed one): YES... Open the floodgates! I have a feeling all the deletionists hang out on VFD; that's why we get a disproportionate number of delete votes on anything. -Mth
Comment, this has been listed on VfD twice before on May 2003 and February 2004, both times the decision was to keep, but by a close margin. - SimonP 21:10, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)
Delete: Perhaps because of a change of vultures here at VfD or a change in Wikipedia itself, but the age at 13 doesn't really make that much notability. Unfortunately 13 year olds do commit suicide, though it is unusual for a girl to use a gun for it. I agree that her suicide brings up issues that society needs to address, and it's a poor testimony to Texas, but that discussion might be a topic for an encyclopedia, while this particular case does not, as written. If it read, "The suicide of Sarah Marple-Cantrell was instrumental in renewing calls for gun control in Texas after she...," it might have a chance, as that would indicate notability. The poor little girl by herself does not. Geogre 21:18, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Keep. Article is factual and I can see someone looking this up. - TB 22:06, Jul 24, 2004 (UTC)
Comment: Simply shooting oneself would not make one notable enough for inclusion, but receiving a certain amount of attention for doing so would. I'd imagine that, given her age and the fact that it happened at school, it received a fair amount of attention, but if so the article says nothing of the sort. Everyking 23:54, 24 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Com: I checked with Lexis Nexis and EBSCO using Marple-Cantrell, and found nothing. Saopaulo1
  - Com: Google finds almost nothing, once Wikipedia clones are filtered out. -- Cyrius|✎ 01:37, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete - tragic yes, notable no. Adolescents attempt suicide with alarming frequency, and when doing so use firearms about half the time [1] (http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/suifacts.htm). -- Cyrius|✎ 01:33, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Not notable. I support the idea of having a general WikiMemorial to send articles like this (having just the 9/11 one seems a bit US-centric to me). Niteowlneils 03:02, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Kp: Her age and gender actually make her fairly unique. Suicide statistics for 2003 in the U.S. aren't available yet, but the National Vital Statistics Report (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/pubs/pubd/nvsr/52/52-pre.htm) Deaths: Injuries 2001 (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_21acc.pdf) report gives us an estimate.

There were 30,622 suicides in 2001, of whom 16,869 used firearms. Firearm rate: 55.1%
There were 5,950 suicides by females, of whom 2,111 used firearms. Firearm rate: 35.5%
There were 272 suicides by youth aged 10-14 (both genders), of which 90 used firearms. Firearm rate: 33.1%
Of the 272 suicides aged 10-14, 65 of the 272 were female, and 10 of these females were aged 10-12. Since being female and being aged 10-14 are both predictors for low firearm use, we expect very few of these 10 suicides to use firearms; at most perhaps 3.5 of the 10.

So, we expect fewer than 4 suicides of 12-year-old and younger girls through firearms, per year, of which this was one. This suicide occured at school, putting it in the larger context of school violence and safety. She was the child of a noted academic, which may be of interest to the gun control debate.

Sarah Marple-Cantrell is one of the 4 12-year-old youths who were the youngest at-school suicide victims listed in the National School Safety Center's (http://www.nssc1.org/) School-Associated Violent Deaths Report (http://www.nssc1.org/savd/savd.htm) (of which there was one male hanging, one female hanging, one male shooting, and one female shooting). The report covers the 1992-1993 school year to the present; both firearm suicides of 12-year-olds happened in the 2002-2003 school year, relatively recently. She may be the youngest female to have committed suicide with a firearm at a United States school.

So, while her death received little news attention, I believe she was noteworthy. ~~Keep~~. -- Creidieki 10:42, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

If you add in enough specifics you can make anything seem unique. She was probably the only 12 year old girl to commit suicide in 2003 with a firearm in a school bathroom. Still, an adolescent committing suicide is tragic, but not notable. Wikipedia is not a memorial site, and that is what this article is. -- Cyrius|✎ 17:33, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Keep. bbx 13:35, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Tragic but non-noteworthy. Denni ☯ 19:17, 2004 Jul 25 (UTC)
Delete. I googled, and found only two hits that weren't Wikipedia mirrors. One was an old Excel spreadsheet from her school. The other was some girl's web diary. Isomorphic 19:32, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Sad, but not encyclopedic. [[User:Meelar|Meelar (talk)]] 20:23, 2004 Jul 25 (UTC)
Delete. Tragic, but insignificant in the endless flow of time. Jeeves 23:13, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Not noteworthy. Joyous 00:42, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Sets a precedent that we just don't need here. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 13:04, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Comment: Extended the article a bit. Didn't say she was "notable" on a worldwide scale, but still think that her case is "symptomatic"; (and btw, I'd trade at least one Pokémon character for a human any time). --Palapala 17:18, 2004 Jul 26 (UTC)
Del: Sad but ultimately not notable. ~~Delete.~~ Would be an appropriate candidate for a non 9/11 section of Wikimemorial if anyone ever creates that. Rossami 23:08, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Elf-friend 19:14, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Keep. I heard about this case in the news before I read it on Wikipedia. In my opinion, if I hear about something in the news before I read it on Wikipedia, it's probably significant to be in Wikipedia. -Mth
Keep. Agree with MTH. Academic Challenger 00:24, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Non-notable. Postdlf 04:20, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Del. Non-notable. Obviously enormously significant for those close to them or the situation, but not to the body of WP users. BTW the claim that the influential family will make it significant, backed up by lk to father's WP bio, is a fraud; that bio is new, and he's an above-average academic but not notable. (Bio now on VfD as it deserves.) BTW, no evidence has been presented that they are or will become activists on this, and no respect is being paid to the the probability that they just want to be left the f. alone, get on with their lives, and see to the now more urgent needs of their probable 1.3 other children. --Jerzy (t) 15:49, 2004 Jul 29 (UTC)
Comment: voting as of 16:10, 2004 Jul 29: Del 14, Kp 6.

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