Talk:Assistant referee
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Hi Arwen,
Thanks for your updates here. A couple of (semantic) points:
The change of name from "Linesman" to "Assistant Referee" wasn't primarily to do with geneder-neutral language; rather it was to better reflect the modern emphasis on the role of the AR.
It is for this reason that I have also put back the fact that "referee's assistant" is an incorrect term, as this term was deliberately avoided as it is not considered to reflect the task of the AR.
Any comments?
Cheers, Dave. --DaveB 02:45, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I assume you mean me. Who's Arwen?
IIRC, a woman in England (Essex I think) became a qualified referee and the name change occured at the same time, I could be wrong. I don't see that the term 'referee's assistant' is "incorrect" as such, just because that phrasing isn't specifically in the Laws. There is no clear distinction to be made between the roles of 'assistant referee' and 'referee's assistant'. Law 6 states -the assistant referees also assist the referee to control the match... and under the section on the fourth official it says ... the fourth official must advise the referee and his assistants of any report being made. manager and his assistants == "manager and the manager's assistants"Mintguy (T) 04:43, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Hi,
My apologies for targetting that message at the wrong person!
I agree that this is largely semantic, but as some background...
Around the time of the change, there was considerable debate regarding the nomenclature. The term Assistant referee has been considered to better clarify their position as a referee in an assisting capacity. One handy parallel I read was in the library sector: Assistant Librarian (postgraduate qualifications required) compared to a Librarian's assistant (stacks shelves). Another could be assistant surgeon, vs surgeon's assistant. Not entirely transferable concepts, but illustrative nonetheless.
Cheers, Dave. --DaveB 05:41, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I think running the line is pretty much equivalent to stacking shelves. The point is it is not "incorrect" as such, it's just not the term used in the laws (although it comes pretty close with "manager and his assistants" ) Mintguy (T)