Talk:Bombing of Tokyo in World War II
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On Template:March 9 selected anniversaries
In Japanese version it mentions about the possible war crimes committed. Why not here? Hostory revisionist? SYSS Mouse 18:25, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- I don't think there's any revisionism unless you dispute the intentional targeting of civilian (lives) and the actual lives lost. However, flaunting that now as a war crime has nationalistic overtones that stinks of Ishiharaism. Cf. Shintaro Ishihara, current governor of Tokyo. Personally, I don't like him or any of the nationalism he advocates. For the record, I am Japanese, and I think this is the disucussions page and not the main article, so this kind of soap boxing is allowed.
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Where did this picture come from?
Does anybody know the source of the illustration of the streets of Tokyo in the aftermath of the 1945 firebombing? rpm24@cornell.edu
Expansion and rewrite
I'd like to expand on this article with more information about the bombing campaign against Japan as a whole (not just the city of tokyo). This would render the article title somewhat obsolete, I'm considering creating a new article "Bombing of Japan in World War II" and redirecting this article to the new one. Comments? Anybody want to voice approval/dissaproval?
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- Do what's in the best interest of war history buffs.
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- An article on the Strategic bombing campaign against Japan makes sense, and that would take most of the info now on this page. However, that's not a reason not to have an article on this specific subject. The March 9-10 raid, at least, deserves an article.
- —wwoods 08:21, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
This article is not about a specific date (March 9-10) it is about the "Bombing of Tokyo in World War II" so please do not throw out the baby with the bath water. If you decide to write a new article on the strategic bombing campaign, then please take into account:
- Strategic_Bombing#World_War_II
- Strategic bombing
- Aerial bombing of cities
- Strategic bombing during World War II
- Twentieth Air Force
- Operation Matterhorn
- Bomber Command#XXI Bomber Command
- XX Bomber Command
- XXI Bomber Command
- U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific
Personally I think that an expansion of "XX Bomber Command", and short articles on the "XXI Bomber Command" and the "U.S. Strategic Air Forces in the Pacific" would be a good place to start as the latter pulls in the 8th air force as well as the 20th. A section in the "Bomber Command" article on the "XX bomber Command" would be useful. IMHO there also needs to be a substantial Japanese section in the "strategic bombing during World War II" Philip Baird Shearer 11:20, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Deathtoll?
I have heard that from 300,000 to more than half a million died. does anyone know?Dwarf Kirlston 16:04, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That'd be the total for the strategic bombing campaign--Hiroshima, Tokyo, Nagasaki, and everything else. —wwoods 17:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
source for LeMay quote
This article was #1 Google in response to request: "Tokyo fire bombing." In the film "Fog of War" Robert McNamara recounts a conversation with Curis LeMay. McNamara attributes to LeMay something to the effect: 'If we were to lose the war we'd be war criminals.' (Not a quote.) I started the Google search because I wasn't sure if LeMay was the general in charge of the fire bombing and therefore the person to whom McNamara attributed the remark.
I'm new to Wikipedia and may be violating and showing ignorance of its protocols, but wouldn't it be valuable to provide source information for this particular quote. By citing the film, a reader could see and hear for himself someone who purports to be an precipient witness to the remark. The fact that McNamara is one of the most accomplished liars of his age is vitiated in part or in whole by the fact that the statement if made by LeMay is also against McNamara's personal interests. That victors decide who is and isn't a war criminal is an old subject. But McNamara is describing a remark made when there was no possibility that Japan would win the war. Hence, it's a different moral/ethical situation than one in which the acts are preformed when there is still a chance that one would be punished for them.
Because of the way it can be sourced, because it is so short (making it easier for McNamara to recall accurately), because of its content, and because of McNamara's character and subsequent personal history, this is about as "good" as history gets. Isn't it?
- You may be new but you are quite right, all quote and figures ought to be referenced, See Bombing of Dresden in World War II for an example of this. As to the quote you are asking for see wikiquote:Curtis LeMay Which refrences to this source: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/peopleevents/pandeAMEX61.html
- -- Philip Baird Shearer 19:35, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)