Talk:Counties of Ireland
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All of the various counties appear to be in articles of the form "County Name", which I don't think is the usual nomenclature here on Wikipedia. I'm thinking of moving them all to "Name County" instead, or just "Name." Any objections or other comments? Bryan 00:29, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- "County XXXX" is the usual way of referring to Counties in Ireland. - Nunh-huh 00:30, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Ah. No moves, then. :) Bryan 00:49, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Alphabetical list
I'm of the opinion that this list is redundant, and just sits looking ugly and taking up space.
Administrative regions are already discussed and detailed above the table, former names are discussed below. There's a full list of counties beside the map. There's only a small amount of information relatively speaking (evidenced by the amount of blank cells), so I view the table as unnecessary.
zoney ▓ ▒ talk 19:32, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
- Agreed, its better to have a general discussion in the article on history rather than a table which is just a lot of air! Djegan 19:45, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC)
A paragraph explaining why in Ireland it's "county name"
It'd be nice if someone could add a paragraph to Counties of Ireland explaining why, contrary to everywhere else (e.g. in the US: "Middlesex county", etc.), in Ireland the word county comes first (e.g. "county Cork").
- It's just the way it is. And we were first :-). I do not think any explanation is necessary. Just accept it as yet another difference between the countries. zoney ♣ talk 17:56, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- Well it could be for example the influence of the Irish language, I don't know. Everything's got an explanation. For example if I were asked to explain the British or U.S. order I would say: "in languages were the (determinative) adjective precedes the noun (such as English) a noun which limits (determines) another noun normally comes first", hence "Suffolk county" just like "red car". The Irish order is not normally compatible with English syntax. On the other hand it could be a variation on "the county of xxx", for example: "the county of Cork" becoming "County Cork". That's what I would call an explanation. I'm sure there is one.
- Well, if there is a real verifiable reason, it could perhaps be noted, but we currently do not have that. However, in Irish, one does have Contae (county) first (e.g. Contae Chorcaí - for Corcaigh - Cork). This is because the Irish literally means "County (of) Cork" (for example) - and in fact, the latter noun is suitably altered to reflect the relationship ("of") to the initial noun. zoney ♣ talk 02:40, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)
- I reckon its like the British / American River Thames / Hudson River divide, except that in England only County Durham uses "County" at all; the other Traditional counties of England have things like -shire, -land, -sex, -folk instead (admittedly, all suffixes rather than prefixes). Joestynes 10:24, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Administrative counties
We need a separate map here for the current administrative counties. Counties of England has no fewer than 4 maps! Joestynes 10:24, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)