Talk:Fencing
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Should the article perhaps be split in two, one on modern sport fencing, and one on classical fencing?
Edited
November 29, 2004
This is incorrect:
Like the épée, sabres originate from more deadly backgrounds. However, in the original fights with sabers, slashing was considered a mounted way of attacking while thrusting with the tip was considered a more deadly, but slower, way of attacking. Early in sword history, it was concluded a stab wound, although smaller, is much more damaging and deadly than a simple slash, except where the removal of body parts is concerned, where blood loss may be more deadly than a stab to an organ. However, in mounted combat, to stab an opponent would mean the loss of the weapon, so a curved blade that could easily slide into the opponent and out, causing a laceration, was much more ideal. The saber's point may have been meant for combat on the ground, if the rider was dismounted, voluntarily or forcibly.
-KM
Edited March 13, 2004
Cleaned up some history - the last IP is mine. KM.
Edited last April 10 2003, Ken Mondschein, editor@corporatemofo.com
I think "sabre" is a more usual spelling, at least in the US. I didn't get a redirect when I looked it up on Wikipedia. Google gives 91,700 for the -re spelling versus 69,000 for -er (with "sword" to weed out irrelevancy, so there are doubtlessly Type I errors. --Calieber 03:24, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- The American Heritage Dictionary says "saber" is the preferred American spelling, and "sabre" is chiefly British. -- Ortonmc 03:33, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)
- In common usage, that may be the case. However, in Fencing one is more likely to use the more traditional spelling "sabre", just like one is likely to acent "épée". Observe that the American USFA (http://www.usfencing.org/Results/2004Olympics.asp) itself uses these traditional spellings, the American Heritage Dictionary notwithstanding. — Miguel 20:17, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
TWO METER RAPIERS?? That entire paragraph was nonsense and was deleted. The claim about rapier duels invariably or usually being fought "to one point" is also a bunch of fantasy. Having read many a duel account, it is quite apparent that rapier duels were probably NEVER fought to "one touch". Instead, they went on until one combatant or the other surrendered or was unable to continue.
- damn, that's lame. two meter rapiers sound pretty exciting. ✈ James C. 16:03, 2004 Aug 12 (UTC)
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One Hit Épée
There is a variant of epee that is popular at least in the UK - the one hit epee competition. The idea is that you fence everyone in the competition, but only the first hit counts, then you move on to the next person. Double hits count as double losses - you don't get a point for it. In many ways it resembles more the original dueling aspect of fencing. This is also the type of fencing included in the Modern Pentathlon. Shall I include a brief paragraph about it in this article? HispanoCelt 11:10, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. Ortonmc 05:25, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Notable classical fencers and fencing masters
Which of these are notable classical fencers and fencing masters and why? Let's see which are real and which are vanity. - Tεxτurε 20:45, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Electronic scoring equipment
Added "The rule changes have been controversial, primarily on two accounts: some argue that "flicks" or "whip-hits" are a valid method of scoring a touch, and others contend that the changes cause scoring anomalies where touchs which have obviously landed do not register." to the section on the foil timing change. For "only the most expensive contests bother to ground the piste", I would say at least 50% of competitions I've been to do this, likely closer to 80%. Does anyone have a source on this?
I wouldn't say "only the most expensive", but I'd say 50% is more right. I've edited that to make it a little more clear. Certainly 80% do not if we count local competitions. However, any serious tournament will have at least some grounded strips. I know the largest tournament in Texas gets by with 4. I also corrected the sentence on "wireless" scoring, which does not actually use transmitters at all. The official lights are mounted on the fencers masks, and it has only been adopted for sabre. Lights connected by a transmitter are for spectator information only and not considered by the officials. Kd5mdk 07:55, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
footwork and maneuvers?
- parry (all types)
- riposte
- fleche
- advance, retreat?
no section explaining these items?
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other notes
- Points of attack and engagement.
The new FIE timings have not prevented flick attacks, but have made it considerably harder to score even a direct hit. Annoying. Also made some notes at Talk:Epee
- I changed it a bit, see Electronic Scoring Equipment, above
Also, the article [electronic scoring] states that foil and epee have a microswitch which makes a circuit. This is technically incorrect. At epee, the microswitch makes a circuit. At foil, the switch breaks the circuit, thus there is no travel measurement for foil as there is for epee.
S.
