Talk:Flag of Ireland

From Academic Kids

Small aside: Many people in the Republic of Ireland describe the flag's colours as Green, White and Gold (which is technically incorrect). I'm not sure why that is -- its probably because they are denial that the Orange represents the Unionist community.

If you are talking in technical heraldic terms you can't use terms like "blue" but have to say "azure" etc. I forget what "green" would be, but I'm pretty sure white and gold are "argent" and "or". PML.

That may be generally correct but in the Irish instance, the colours are always referred to as green, white and orange, just as the Union Jack is always referred to as red, white and blue. And the Irish presidential flag is always described as Saint Patrick's Blue, not azure. JTD 22:53 Feb 6, 2003 (UTC)

Also, nothing rhymes with "orange" so if it's nationalist poetry you're writing, a bit of poetic license is called for. Joestynes 09:48, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Shouldn't this article go into to Red Hand flag that was used in NI before 1972-73?

hoshie

The following has been removed from the article because a user has questioned its accuracy. However it sounds kind of like it might be so if someone knows it is accurate please provide a source and we can put it back.

Contrary to myth, however, it was not the actual flag of the Easter Rising; that flag was in fact a green flag with the words 'Irish Republic', written in orange with white shadowing. (This flag is on display in the Kildare Street branch of the National Museum of Ireland.) The tricolour in the Rising was in fact the flag of E-Company and as such was flown over the General Post Office, Dublin (GPO), the headquarters of the Rising's leadership. Unlike the official flag, the E-Company's tricolour caught the public imagination and became the de facto flag of the Irish Republic

Iota 15:07, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

This is indeed true. I do not have a source, but I'm re-instating it.

The last sentence is the only subjective piece in the paragraph. It is possible to elaborate further on that point.

zoney ♣ talk 16:36, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I'm slightly less certain what the previous editor took issue with. The essential statement in the section listed above is still on the page, namely,

Contrary to myth, however, it was not the actual flag of the Easter Rising; that flag was in fact a green flag with the words 'Irish Republic'. It became the de facto flag of the Irish Republic (1919-22).

So I'll leave it as is for now. zoney ♣ talk 16:42, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I don't think his concerns were about NPOV. I think he was questioning the factual accuracy of the stuff about E-Company. Lapsed Pacifist put a note on my talkpage saying he deleted it because he wanted to see a source for the sentence. That's fair enough but to me the removed sentence doesn't sound like something someone would just make up. Iota 17:30, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)

A New Flag of Ireland?

Does anyone else fell that we should have a new flag? I'm aware of what the tricolour represents and the emotiveness of even suggesting this, but we have older (and in my view, far better) symbols for our nation than the tricolour. Also - and again, this is just me - its way too similar to that of India, Cote d'Ivorie and a few others; plus the fact that green, white and orange clash for ****** sake! It looks terrible on our sports teams! Any suggestions folks? Discussion would be welcome. Fergananim

That's nonsense. The flag has a good history behind it and a good symbolism. As can be seen in the article it dates back to 1848 ( approx. ). It also represents a good belief - peace, which I believe nobody can argue against. I may be wrong but as far as i know the Irish flag is older than the India & Cote d'Ivorie. Finally i don't see how you can think the colours look ugly on the sports teams, i think it looks good.

Four provinces flag image

This is not the most important disagreement we'll ever have on Wikipedia but I want to say my piece anyway. Whether the four provinces flag should remain in its original position rather than be moved so as to be precisely alligned with the "Other flags" section is an aesthetic judgement call. Pictures don't have to precisely line up with section headings and often, for stylistic reasons, it is desirable that they don't. Certainly no-one is going to be confused into thinking the four provinces flag is the St. Patrick's flag or vice-versa. When I added the image to the article I put it in the position that I thought looked best. In the absence of any strong reason to move it I don't see why another user should be allowed to impose their own aesthetic preference over the status quo. I'll not make any change to the article for the moment.

Iota 17:57, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well I agree it's all rather trivial. But I think putting a picture in the section where it's discussed is a "strong reason" for moving it. I'm guessing the thing you dislike about this aesthetically is that the image is longer than the text? While not perfect, this will be corrected if future edits augment the text. On the other hand, having 2 flags together is imperfect as compared to the consistency of having all images at the left margin. I agree that minor fiddling around fine judgement-calls clutters edit histories, but in this case 2 different users have preferred the lower position and only one the higher. Joestynes 07:34, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)