Talk:Hillsborough disaster
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The accusations of lies and smears against the Sun may well be true but is it impartial or relevant?
Trewornan
- It's absolutely relevant. The resentment that this supposed news journal generated with its callous and insensitive comments is incalculable. Lee M 02:46, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)
- May they rest in peace
Yes, may all the people who tragically lost their lives rest in peace. But this tribute is not suitable to be put into an encyclopedia article. --Lorenzarius 18:09 Feb 2, 2003 (UTC)
A large amount of (admittedly POV) information added by IP: 194.205.123.7 was deleted without discussion by User:Fennec. The reasons for this deletion should have been discussed here. Some of it could have been utilised. Mintguy (T) 17:25, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
What does it mean by, "... caused a crush"? Did the building collapse? Did they jump on and kill 90-odd people? ugen64 21:26, Apr 15, 2004 (UTC)
- It means that people were crushed against each other and the barriers as more and more people piled into an area not sufficiently large to hold them. I agree it needs rewording. In fact just re-reading the article there are a lot of things that need to be explained. Some years prior to the incident the stadium has been fitted with a tall security barriers at the front of terraces just infront of the pitch in order to prevent pitch invasions and other acts of hooliganism. Football in England had been plagued by hooliganism for many years and a number of clubs had installed these barriers. The victims of this distaster were pushed up against these barriers as more and more people were funneled into this section of the ground. For the people at the front of the crowd there was nowhere to go to escape being crushed by those behind. Mintguy (T)
I've added quite a bit to make the details clearer and explain how the crush occured. I've also added some references to the accusations of crowd misbehaviour which I realise are sensitive but felt should be included. I still feel that the section on the sun should (at least) be abridged.
Reworking
I think the article needs a bit more work. The opening paragraph begins "Football been been plagued by hooliganism ..." immediately gives rise to the thought that hooliganism directly caused the tragedy, rather than hooliganism indirectly causing the physical environment in which the tragedy happened. Jooler
Why is the first paragraph in the past tense? IE: "Football had been plagued by hooliganism for year", "terraces were cheaper standing areas without seats".
I'm no expert, but as far as I know hooliganism is still a large problem and they still have terraces don't they?
- Hooliganism was a problem for over 10 years before Hillsborough, but it is not now a problem within UK stadia (though as we've seen this week, it still is in Italy). And no, there are no terraces at English League grounds since soon after the Taylor Report. -- Arwel 19:58, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm, I was thinking of rugby grounds.
- Well, the article's not talking about rugby grounds - all the national stadia at any rate are all seater, and when on earth was there a case of crowd violence at a rugby match (as opposed to punch-ups between players?). -- Arwel 18:49, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- Hmm, I was thinking of rugby grounds.
