Talk:Holocaust revisionism

I think this should discuss the issue of revisionism with a link to historical revisionism and a link to Holocaust denial and a discussion of generally-accepted and not-accepted revision as regards the Holocaust. For example, one revisionist claim is that the numbers of concentration camp victims were inflated. In some cases, particularly as regards the number of Russian and Slav victims, this appears to have been true, since the Soviets inflated the number of non-Jewish victims for politican reasons (to make it appear as if the Jews were not specially targetted, and the Russians were equal victims). On the other hand, many revisionist claims, especially the ones that deny the Holocaust occured at all, are not even close to true.

There should also be some discussion of the political issues. For example, some legitimate revisionism is initially opposed by those who hold sacred absolutely anything having to do with the Holocaust, and is thus detrimental to legitimate history. On the other hand, some purported revisionism is done by those more interested in anti-Semitism than in accurate history, and is therefore also detrimental to legitimate history. --Delirium 06:50, May 1, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps this page should be merged with Holocaust denial, which seems to address these issues. --AaronSw 06:18, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

It would be better if we could write a reasonable article on revisionism, since denial and revisionism are different issues, but if Ezra continues to insist that any attempt to do so is vandalism while at the same time supporting what is quite clearly a biased article (not to mention formatted terribly) that may be necessary. --Caliper 17:20, 4 May 2004 (UTC)

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There has been little to no discussion of this particular entry vs. the Holocaust denial entry since it was protected in the wake of the last flame war. User:Ezra appears to have given up on Wikipedia already, and no one else appears interested in a separate entry on Holocaust revisionism vs. denial. Therefore, unless there are any other objections, I will be redirecting this entry back to the Holocaust denial entry, the way it was before Ezra changed it. --Modemac 08:35, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

Haha... this was going to be my project for today, but perhaps this is for the best. There is, after all, an explaination of revisionism on the denial page. --Caliper 17:24, 11 May 2004 (UTC)

I oppose the re-direct to Holocaust denial. Holocaust revivisionism is a different, and is often a more accurate term. I mean, one could defend the view that Hitler didn't order the Holocaust because there is no explicit written order by Hitler. To lump this view together with Holocaust denial is, I think, unfair and inaccurate. Andries 19:08, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It is a violation of NPOV to conflate Historical revisionism with Holocaust denial. The logical relationship between the categories is simple, and factually indisputable: Historical revisionism is a superset of Holocaust revisionism, which in turn is a superset of Holocaust denial. Redirecting the article on Holocaust revisionism to an article on Holocaust denial is a transparent application of propaganda techniques, painting all revisionism pertaining to the Holocaust with the brush of apology for genocide. This page is the logical future destination for material on the application of the methods of historical revisionism to the Holocaust which does not qualify as Holocaust denial. Aminorex 05:04, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The term Holocaust revisionism refers to activities which do not fall under the activities done by historical revisionists, since Holocaust revisionism is not historical enquiry, but rather attempts to prove a pre-ordained conclusion. Moreover, "policitally unpopular" is inherently POV, and implies that the issues historians have with Holocaust revisionism are political, rather than historical, in nature. If you discover a type of Holocaust revisionism that is true historical revisionism, rather than just an attempt to put a more acceptable face one Holocaust denial, then a non-redirect might make sense. Jayjg | (Talk)</sup> 15:48, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)