Talk:Jesse Owens
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"However, see Tinus Osendarp."
- What's the however? Nothing in that article seems to contradict this paragraph. Yes, he was white and Jesse creamed him, but the article doesn't contradict anything nor can I see why it's linked here. I assume there's a reason, but apparently, it has been left out of both articles, which is annoying. Is it just that he was the fastest white guy? If so, maybe the Jesse Owens article should say "Notably, he defeated Tinus Osendarp who had been expected to win the x and y events" (assuming he had been expected to win, I don't know the Tinus story at all). --Daniel Quinlan
"[...] on August 9, 1936 he won his fourth gold medal of the games as a member of the 4 x 100-meter relay team."
- The current phrasing is odd. Why is the date pointed out for the last event and not the other three. Is the exact date even really needed or useful? I suggest striking, perhaps even reverting. Daniel Quinlan 07:34, Aug 10, 2003 (UTC)
- For now I gave the dates, to show they are not on the same date, as in 1935. Aliter 19:40, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Made it slightly more neutral, by removing something unprovable.
- How do we know: "Adolf Hitler had intended to use the games to promote "Aryan superiority"."? Mind you, I fully believe the German propaganda machine did, but we write here we know someone's personal ideas.
- Is it true that Hitler has "criticized African-American athletes as "black auxiliaries" and "non-humans""? I know the Nazi-controlled press did, but this is the first time I see these words put into a person's mouth. Aliter 19:40, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
- Problems solved, I see. Thanks. Aliter 03:01, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)
No, not solved. To me, "A persistent myth has grown up that Hitler had intended [...]" implies that it isn't true, which is a statement that needs to be justified. Maybe I just interpret the statement wrong, but if it can be misintepreted it needs to be changed. Abostrom
- I agree. I think you do interpret the statement wrong: The comma behind "Aryan superiority" means the next part of the sentence follows from the first part; the Jesse Owens-quote disproves the second, and hence the total. But the structure is probably too complex, it invites misreading, and it's debatable whether the second part in fact does follow from the first. We know people falsely claim Hitler refused to shake hands with Owens, etc. etc.. We should probably either limit ourselves to those part or rewrite the more general part as a separate statement. Aliter 00:10, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
No information on the article by him "My Greatest Olympic Prize" (http://usr.blogspot.com/2004/12/beautiful-story.html) ?
