Talk:Kirkuk

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The city of kirkuk and more importantly the province of kirkuk is kurdish. The ottoman empire while supremely inefficient in many respects, inherited the byzantine empires bereucracy and also the byzantinian love for statistics. All these censuses indicate that kirkuk is a kurdish city, with the last ottoman census putting the kurdish population of kirkuk as 78%. this is also coroborated by the last hashimmite iraqi census which put the kurdish population of kirkuk at 70%. While true that turkmens live in the city of kirkuk, the never have, do not know nor ever will form anything near a majority. And while the assyrians may have once upon a time invaded kirkuk, they have also melted away.

p.s i am very suprised that the modern 'assyrians' actualy think that they are descendents of the ancient assyrians. This name was only applied to them in the 19th century as a matter of experiency and in no way reflects there true descent (they are probably descended from armenians who were native to the area). in fact although a am a kurd i probably have more assyrian blood in my veins than do the modern 'assyrians'.

Thankyou

Dear Sir

Although It is important that you did not mentioned that Kirkuk city is a Kurdish city as most of the encyclopedia do. But it is unfair to talk about the Turkmen city Kirkuk and present such information (The Kurds have identified Kirkuk as their preferred capital in any new Kurdish state) without to touch the Turkmen of Iraq.

While the Kurds invested the cities of northern Iraq and robbed what they met in the latter several centuries (Edger O'balance - in his book Kurdish revolt). They invest the western literature in the later century and introduce forged information in. This made many well known international writers and journalists repeat what the Kurdish writers publish and what the Kurdish politicians say without investigation.

Dear sir

Kirkuk is not Kurdish city and was never Kurdish city.it was built from the assyrians from the first stone to the last one. but after the kurds massacre of the assyrians they become larger than the assyrians in numbers in the city. this also happened to arbil(the 4 gods city)

The followings are some of thousands of reliable references about the Kirkuk city:

References:

(1)Hanna Batatu in his book titled “The old social classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq”, (Princeton University Press, New Jersey 1978), p. 913, mentions: “Kerkuk had been Turkish through and through in the not too distant past”. “Kerkuk, an oil center, lying 180 miles north of Baghdad, had been Turkish through and through in the not too distant past. By degrees, Kurds moved into the city from the surrounding villages. With the growth of the oil industry, their migration intensified. By 1959, they had swollen to more than one third of the population, and the Turkmen had declined to just over half, the Assyrians and Arabs accounting, in the main, for the rest of the total of 120,000.4 Other Turkish towns, such as Arbil, had undergone a similar process: Arbil itself was in such as Arbil, had undergone a similar process: Arbil itself was in great measure Kurdified, and the change occurred peacefully. But the Kerkuklis, who maintained close cultural links with Turkey, were of a tougher fiber and united by a stronger sense of ethnic identity”. D. McDowall in his book titled “A Modern History of the Kurds”, I.B.Tauris & Co Ltd Publishers 1996, London & New York, page 305, mentions: “In mid July 1959, another serious disturbance occurred; this time in Kerkuk, a town waiting to explode, once again, the spark was a rally by leftists. It will be recalled that the IPC in the north preponderantly Kurdish. Tension had been growing for some time between Turkmen, the originally predominant element, and Kurds who had settled during the 1930s and 1940s, driven from the land by landlord rapacity and drawn by the chance for employment in the burgeoning oil industry. By 1959 half the populations of 150,000 were Turkmen, rather less than half were Kurds and the balance Arabs, Assyrians and Armenians.”

(2) D. McDowall in his book titled “A Modern History of the Kurds”, I.B.Tauris & Co Ltd Publishers 1996, London & New York, page 144, mentions: “The towns and villages along the high road running from Mosul to Baghdad were mainly Turkish speaking, being Turkmen”, “But, as the commission noted, the Kurd ‘is taking possession of the arable and in “Kurdizing” certain towns’ specially the Turkmen’s ones of the high road”

(3) Edger O’balance in his book titled “The Kurdish Revolt”, page 33 mentions: “right up until the end of the 19th century the sight of a large tribal federation, with all its livestock, moving across the mountains and plains of the northern parts of the Middle East in search of fresh grazing, was both splendid and ominous - as nomadic Kurds moved like a plague of locusts, feeding and feuding”.

(4) William R. Hay in his book titled “Two Years in Kurdistan 1918 – 1920”, (William Clowes and Sons, Limited, London and Beccles 1921), page 82 -83 mentions: “The only 2 Turkish speaking populations which concern us closely are Erbil and Altun Kopri”. “One mahalla or quarter of the town is purely Kurdish, and in the rest the lower classes resemble the Kurds in appearance and dress. All can speak Kurdish fluently, but the language of their homes is Turkish. In the upper town which contain 6000 inhabitants, the purest Turkish element is found”. In the page 77 Mr Hay mentions: Dizai tribe descended from the hills about 3 centuries ago, and occupied a few villages round Qush Tappah. In the middle half of the 19th century they started to expand, and rapidly covered the whole country up to Tigris. In the late 1920s, they constitute one third of the Erbil district population.

another two important article can be found in the following addresses: 1. http://members.lycos.nl/kerkuk/ 2. http://members.lycos.nl/kerkuk/ed6.html

The following Article (http://members.lycos.nl/kerkuk/ed7.html) written in Arabic and unfortunately, there is no English translation, contains important information about the Kurds which the western community remained not informed.

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TO ALL READERS All information in Wikipedia fabricated and does not worth to read .I think they get money from Kurdish group to change the facts.

Fake information about Kirkuk , wikipedia owners are kurds.

Robert Merkel how much you got paid by Kurds you look like a good puppy of kurds.

Mr merkel i am very sorry, for this turkmens insulting remarks but then what can you expect from a descendent of the savage holako (a illegitiamte grandson of genghis khans)