Talk:Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
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My understanding is that "Mies van der Rohe" is the surname. The article is inconsistent, generally using "Mies" but once using "van der Rohe", and never advising the reader which ways are correct to refer to him.
(The New York Times, in the case of IMO somewhat analogous Latin American names like Javier Pérez de Cuéllar, seems to make a point of this convention:
- 1st reference: Javier Pérez de Cuéllar
- 2nd: Mr. Pérez de Cuéllar
- 3rd & subsequent: Mr. Pérez
(But they call everyone "Mr." (except, i think, mobsters who haven't yet become witnesses, and charged criminal suspects); we don't, and i think "Mr. Perez" in the Javier Pérez de Cuéllar article is a slip-up.)
Before taking a guess that "Mies" is good and "van der Rohe" is bad (despite my own impression that only "Mies van der Rohe" is correct), and fixing the article accordingly, can anyone speak to
- whether "Mies van der Rohe" is divisible, and
- if so, whether it would be more proper to use three stages as the Times does, rather than two as in Mies van der Rohe and Javier Pérez de Cuéllar?
And shouldn't our policy on such compound surnames include explicitly clarifying at least where the given-name/surname split falls? --Jerzy(t) 05:32, 2004 Apr 13 (UTC)
- My understanding is that he was born Ludwig Mies and appended his mother's maiden name Rohe at some later date, throwing in a van der (or possibly a Van der) just for effect. So the usual rules, whatever they may be, probably don't apply. - Nunh-huh 05:42, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- P.S. I think he probably dropped the Ludwig about the same time? - Nunh-huh 05:45, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Re dropping "Ludwig": Not to my understanding: i think treating "Mies van der Rohe" as his full name is simply a misunderstanding by people who have seen the full surname used. E.g., i think the NYT always starts with "Ludwig Mies van der Rohe" and continues with (the surname) "Mies van der Rohe". (BTW, the Mr. thing doesn't usually apply, bcz it is in the hard news portions; i think they forgo that courtesy in the arts & book reviews where he is likely to come up.) Tricky stuff in any case! --Jerzy(t) 08:06, 2004 Apr 13 (UTC)
- P.S. I think he probably dropped the Ludwig about the same time? - Nunh-huh 05:45, 13 Apr 2004 (UTC)
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