Talk:Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
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Wikipedia has a neutral POV that must be maintained, that is why I have reverted the article. DigiBullet 07:20, 29 Feb 2004 (UTC)
About the birthdate: I don't know enough to be any authority on the subject, but I'm not sure we should state it without some qualifier, like a question mark. What exactly is the evidence for the date? Do we know that Ahmad himself recognized that day as his birthday? Lots of generally reliable English language sources say he was born in 1839, without giving a certain day, so I'm hesitant to bluntly contradict them without some fairly good reason. Everyking 19:55, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
The date is based on authentic biography of A R Dard Imam of the London Mosque, 1948. { He states that the references are drawn from the writings of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad et al.} CORIN 30 Nov 2004
The Birthdate is clearly supported from Biographies and original sources. I do not understand why so much fuss is made over this point. The Article is likely to be considered as POV because of the anamosity towards the Community and its substantial growth in recent years - the information is supported by biographies and materials provided by the Ahmadiyya Muslim Movement and Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha`at Islam, not mere opinions of opponents. The article is likely to be uncomfortable to both Christians and Muslims, but the facts given cannot be disputed as Ahmadi. It cannot therefore not be controversial. Every effort has been made to avoid bias over the 1914 split. CORIN 2.12.2004 09.19
All right, all right, there's no fuss, I know little about him, but I just didn't understand why sources like Britannica weren't giving that date. It's no problem, I believe you. By the way, could you convert your chronological list into standard prose (I assume you were the one who added it) and integrate it into the rest of the text, or at least add bullet points so it's neater? Everyking 10:36, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
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NPOV
mubasher: (1) there is tremendous controversy regarding the status of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as prophet. It would be unfair to label him as such in the opening paragraph of the article without reference to the dispute. (2) most of the material regarding the authenticity of his claim has a one sided point of view: it may be better to link to it rather that make a part of the page.Nazli 01:52, Feb 16, 2005 (UTC)
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His claim was not only of a prophet but the one foretold by Prophet Mohammad (saws) i.e. second coming of Jesus son of Mary and second coming of Prophet (saws) himself as mentioned in holy Quran.The arguments Mirza gives are very convincing as regards the death of Jesus.I am perticularly impressed by the analogy he gives from Trdition in which Prophet explains verse of Al-Jumma "wa bilaakheriena l'm yelhako b'him" narrated by Abu Huraira. Generaly muslims donot believe that Jesus's second coming will not be as a prophet but in this perticular hadis Prohet(saws) has addressed him four times as prophet.I will be greatful if sopme one can download the original hadis and explain.thanks.Yassiah Yasser
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's Grand Prophecy / Stern Warning
Mubasher: it may be best to mention the prophecy in a line or two and then link to the material, rather than presenting it in detail and making it a significant portion of the Wiki article.Nazli 04:45, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
Grand Prophecy / Stern Warning
Nazli: it is not best to mention the prophecy in a line or two because to understand his claims and thoughts you have to read it the intact prophecies but here I am just quoted one of them so please take this matter to the public and you are not the moderator of this free Encyclopedia if you want to say any thing you can discuss on the talk page but please for the sake of understanding and information don’t delete his prophecy and web site link, thank you.
- Mubasher, this article is not a forum for promoting Ahmaddiya teachings. Readers will not want to and do not have to read extremely long quotes to "understand". If it's more than a short paragraph, it should become a link to a Wikisource or an external website. Nazli is not the moderator, nor am I, but I think we represent the vast majority of Wikipedia editors when we say that huge chunks of quoted text do NOT belong here. Zora 22:33, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Mubasher: I agree completely with Zora. I do apologize however for inadvertently deleting the external links in my last edit.
NPOV clearly not in play
The table of events clearly shows that NPOV is not being followed. "# 1907 Dowie dies in utter disgrace." "1893 Prophesy disgrace of Pandit Lekh Ram.". These "disgraces" are clearly intended to promote Ahmad's ideology. While statements like the above do not necessarily violate NPOV, on their own, without context, cannot be viewed as anything but as an attempt to proselytize. --GNU4Eva 13:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's Claim to Prophethood was qualified
In his short work "Eik Ghalatee ka Izaalaa" Transl: A misunderstanding removed", Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has extensively qualified his claim to Prophethood. He has explained that it is his firm belief, that there is no possibility of a Law-Bearing Prophet like Moses (peace be upon Him) or the Holy Prophet of Islam (Peace be upon him) after the advent of Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him). He has explained, however that there is one type of Prophethood, the doors of which are still open and that is a Prophet who is subservient to the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sas). Thus he explains that the Prophethood which he (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) has been blessed with is the zilli Prophethood of the Holy prophet of Islam, i.e. His (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's Prophethood is a continuation of the Prophethood of the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sas). In a Persian Couplet, he has explained :
Hasst oo KhariurRusul Khairul anaam, Hur Nabuwwat Ra barau shudd ikhtitaam
"He (Muhammad) is the best of the Messengers and the best of Creation
All Prophecy has come to completion with his advent"
Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is very clear that the claim to Prophethood which he has made is not a "Permanant Prophethood"
Main Mustaqil Nabi naheen hoon
"I am not an independent or permanent Prophet"
"My Prophethood", he goes on to say is none other than the Prophethood of The Holy Prophet Muhammad, it is not separate from HIm!"
I think it is very important to qualify the Prophethood of the Promised Messiah (Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) as a Buroozee Nabuwwat (a reflection of the Prophethood of Muhammad) an Ummatee nabi (A Prophet from the Umma of the Holy Prophet Muhammad ) or a Zillee Nabi (A prophet who is the shadow of the Prophet Muhammad, i.e. one who follows the Prophet Muhammad like a shadow)
Navidul Haq Khan
email: drnhkhan@hotmail.com