Talk:Order of the British Empire

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1 Reagan? 2 Gravitational Beam Emmitter 3 List(s) of recipients? 4 Redirect 5 Chapel 6 Sir == KBE? 7 Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire 8 Conflicts 9 Nomination process ?

Reagan?

I seem to remember Thatcher giving Reagan one of these (in which case he should certainly be added) but I cannot find details. Perhaps I am mistaken, or can someone else find it? --BozMo|talk 11:17, 27 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Reagan was made a Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the Bath (GCB) (and is listed on that page). The Queen gives all honours incidentally, even if the list is compiled by the government. -- Necrothesp 22:35, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Gravitational Beam Emmitter

Do we really need this? It would be better to move that section to the post-nominals page.

List(s) of recipients?

The article lists some "foreign" recipients. We should list at least a comparable number of Commonwealth recipients; if or when we do, we should have a clear link from this article (unless they are included in it, which is probably not desirable in the long term because a separate list of them could be of more value to an encyclopedia than, say, the list of New Zealand companies). Robin Patterson 06:02, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) -Agreed. Penwhale

Redirect

I made the redirect from GBE to this page into a disambiguation page for GBE and Gbe languages. strangeloop 11:46, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)

• Never mind, I reverted because I discovered I just had to create a 'Gbe' page with a redirect to Gbe languages to stop 'Gbe' from redirecting to 'GBE' and to here.

Chapel

The material about stalls and helms (which is used in most other articles on the British orders of chivalry, almost verbatim) is not correct in this case - there are no crests displayed in the OBE chapel - MWNN

Honest - I've been there! - MWNN

Ah, sorry about that.

James F. (talk) 23:46, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Sir == KBE?

I do know that Paul McCartney, MBE was knighted; does that make him a KBE? Is it possible to be knighted without changing rank in the Order?

I ask this because David Gilmour is a CBE (higher in 'seniority'), but he is not referred to as Sir David Gilmour.

Order of the British Empire states that only KBEs may use the 'Sir'/'Dame' prefix.

Just curious...

--Joshk 04:14, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sir Paul McCartney, MBE, is a Knight Bachelor, which means that he was knighted without being given appointed to one of the knightly grades in any of the Orders of Chivalry (such as the Order of the British Empire). Being made a Knight Bachelor is the lowest form of knighthood - he would have had to have impressed the Government even more to have been made a KBE or a GBE (or a knight in one of the other Orders). Many people are knighted without being members of any Orders, and are thus known simply as Sir John Smith, with no post-nominal letters at all. Hope this helps. Proteus (Talk) 10:27, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire

According to [1] (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20050301/us_nm/people_gates_dc), that's the title Bill Gates will be getting. Should there be a redirect page at Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire? Commander of the Order of the British Empire is already a redirect page to here. (By the way, are those two the same thing?)--Tokek 00:41, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, KBE is the grade above CBE. If Gates was a subject of the Queen then he'd be able to call himself "Sir Bill", whereas a CBE couldn't (since it's not a knighthood). KBE is the usual honour granted to foreigners getting honorary knighthoods. -- Necrothesp 01:36, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, Tokey, that's right, "Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" is often shortened to "Order of the British Empire", but they're one and the same thing.

At your suggestion, I made a few redirects to here:

• GBE
  • Knight Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
  • Dame Grand Cross of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
  • Knight Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire
  • Dame Grand Cross of the Order of the British Empire
• KBE/DBE
  • Knight Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
  • Dame Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
  • Knight Commander of the Order of the British Empire
  • Dame Commander of the Order of the British Empire
• CBE
  • Commander of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
• OBE
  • Officer of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire
• MBE
  • Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire

... which is enough for the time being, I feel.

James F. (talk) 02:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Conflicts

Okay, Bill Gates is an honorary KBE. So, can he or can he not use the post-nominal abbreviations? This is very confusing. Cleanups? Penwhale 02:19, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yes, he can use the post-nominal letters. No, he can't use the pre-nominal "Sir". He is Bill Gates KBE. It says that in the article, doesn't it? -- Necrothesp 11:02, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Nomination process ?

I looked on this page because I was wondering what the nomination process was like and how it is decided who will be made part of the Order. Where can I find info on this Dowew 21:24, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)