Talk:Pope John XXIII
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- remove borders around pictures
Why? It was clearer before. Is there a Wiki-policy on that? --Ann O'nyme 22:55, 29 Aug 2003 (UTC)
There are two reasons.
- Borders existed in publishing to mark the location where a picture would be inserted in the printing process. That was there only function, in the days of hot metal. Computer pages don't need them.
- Borders don't always appear cleanly on some browsers. Some of us some months ago had a problem where the border would not line up correctly around some pictures. On occasion pictures would not be centred in the box but appear to the left or the right, leaving a hideous overly large border on one side of the picture and throwing captions into chaos. It was discussed and it was agreed that the border command was not necessary and was simply a design hangover from the hot metal pre-computerisation days that people, copying the look of pre-DTP newspapers. The options were either to go through a pointless and tedious process of designing a whole new set of commands to ensure borders worked OK on all browsers and then changing tens of thousands of commands around pictures, check every picture placed on a page in every conceivable browser to make sure it worked, and if it didn't go through an equally pointless exercise of continually changing the specifications to get it right through a time-consuming process of trial and error, or simply remove a command that in practice had no design benefit, was irrelevant to computer layout but which simply threw up problems for some people using some forms of some browsers.
Brion specifically said the command could safely be removed, having been told of the problems arising. Since then, few users include the command (given that most cut and paste the command list from past articles and most articles written in the last few months dropped the command). Where the border exists it is usually in old articles that predate the discovery that it could go hideously wrong on some browsers. Where it is found it is generally removed. (Similarly the old tab commands that were used for pictures is where found is being replacing by the <div></div> command, because the tab command mucks up pictures or lets text overwrite images occasionally. And the idea of leaving out a pixel specification has also come unstuck when it turned out that the presumption that the picture would automatically be placed correctly proved incorrect, as pictures shot off the page and again collided with text.
Leaving out the border command makes the page cleaner, less hot metal looking and makes the picture appear correctly in all browsers. Keeping it in involves the risk that someone on some form of browser may be presented with a deformed page, with a picture to the left or right in the box, sometimes indeed bigger than the box, and with captions all skewed all over the place. I hope that clarifies the situation. FearÉIREANN 01:56, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
- Thanks. --Ann O'nyme 03:24, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
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Charles de Gaulle and Roncalli's Red Hat
It looks highly unlikely that de Gaulle bestowed the red hat on Roncalli. At that time de Gaulle was in the middle of his Desert Crossing and was not President. The French President in 1953 was Vincent Auriol and it looks like he was the one that bestowed the red hat on Roncalli.
Dead right. in 'I will be called John' Roncalli is recorded joking with Vincent Auriol. I've made the correction.
Conspiracy Theory Stuff
I erroneously included this pope in the Timeline of unfulfilled Christian Prophecy because of an alleged prophecy he made about the end of the world occurring in 2000. My reserach seems to prove that this was erroneous - and as a result of this research I added this new section to the article. For the full discussion on this prophecy go to: Talk:Timeline of unfulfilled Christian Prophecy.
One Salient Oversight 00:04, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Archbishop of Canterbury talk
In this article, it can be read that John XXIII was the first Pope to meet an Archbishop of Canterbury. The same claim is made in the Paul VI article. I don't know which one of them is true (probably, John XXIII's), but this should be clarified and corrected.
Disparity regarding Paul VI in articles on Paul VI and John XXIII
The article on Pope John XXIII states in regard to Pope Paul VI (Giovanni Montini): "Though he was named to head one of the most ancient and prominent archdioceses in Italy, Pius had refused to elevate Montini to the rank of cardinal."
But the article on Pope Paul VI says of Pope Paul VI: "To the surprise of many, Montini never received the red hat (as the appointment to the cardinalate is often called) before Pope Pius's death in 1958; what was not known was that at the Secret Consistory in 1952 Pope Pius revealed that Montini had declined the cardinalate."
I have no certainty which of these is correct, but presumably one OR the other is, and this should be made consistent by someone who does know. [My money's on paragraph 2.] BTW, these Pope articles are fascinating, have turned my into an instant Wiki fan. Thank you all.
Best wishes to all in Wikiland,
Andy Hansen
When was he dug up?
JPII is usning his tomb apparently. Rich Farmbrough 16:15, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
- January 16, 2001 according to this article from the Catholic Herald (http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/01ws/ws010517.htm). -- Arwel 20:20, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Beatification
A clarification is needed for editors: the correct use of the title "Blessed" for a person who served as pope places the term before the full name. This pope would then be called "Blessed Pope John XXIII" not "Pope Blessed John XXIII," as it has been written over and over again despite corrections by various editors.
When a pope achieves the title of "Saint" then the term is placed after the title of "Pope." For example, Pope Pius X became "Pope Saint Pius X" not "Saint Pope Pius X." --Gerald Farinas 04:02, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)