Talk:Prime Minister of Spain

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1 Position of columns 2 President of Spain? 3 Title of page 4 Name/Date formats & Zapatero 5 Removal of two military labels 6 Requested move 6.1 The article should not be renamed or moved 6.2 Propose that this article be renamed and moved to President of the Government of Spain 6.3 Propose that this article be renamed and moved to Prime Minister of Spain. 6.4 Discussion

Position of columns

The name of the PM should be at the far left instead of the monarch, since we want to read about the main subject first. --Jiang 02:50, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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President of Spain?

Is there no such position as President of Spain? RickK | Talk 05:45, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No. Spain is not a republic. --Wik 05:46, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Per CIA Factbook, the Head of Government is called President of the Government (Spanish: Presidente del Gobierno), so yes, there is such a thing as President of Spain. --Cantus 05:54, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Can you grasp the difference between "President of the Government" and "President of Spain"? --Wik 05:56, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

The point being, it is still called a President. --Cantus

Wik is right that it is never "President of Spain". As far as I know there is no country that has both a "president" and a reigning monarch. Precisely because of this "presidente" is commonly used as shorthand for "presidente del gobierno", but he's no more the president of Spain than the president of the United States Senate is president of the United States. -- Jmabel 06:06, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

OK, then ;) --Cantus 06:13, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Stop this idiocy please. "Governors"??? --Wik 23:56, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Given that both the Chief of State and Head of Government are listed, it is appropriate to call it List of governors of Spain. The page Prime Minister of Spain should not be a list, only a definition of what the Prime Minister of Spain is. --Cantus 00:01, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Neither the king nor the prime minister is a "governor". A governor rules a subnational entity or a colony. And the list is mainly about the prime ministers, the kings have a separate article. --Wik 00:06, Mar 16, 2004 (UTC)

The Presidents of Spain ruled the First and Second Spanish Republics. --Error 02:58, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Spain has a prime minister, in Spanish Presidente del Gobierno literally "Chairman of the Government". Spain does not have a president (a republican Head of State, which would be Presidente del Estado Español) but rather a King. — Chameleon 17:35, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

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Title of page

I moved this page from Prime Minister of Spain to List of Presidents of Spain, hoping it would stay there, but user Wik moved it to List of prime ministers of Spain.

Then I tried moving the page to List of Prime Ministers of Spain, unsuccessfully. The title Prime Minister should be capitalized, so this page should be changed to List of Prime Ministers of Spain or List of Presidents of Spain

--Cantus 05:52, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Certainly not "Presidents of Spain". I couldn't move it back to the original title, so I had to choose a new one that made sense. --Wik 05:56, Mar 15, 2004 (UTC)

Well, isn't that sucky? Any admins that can do the trick? --Cantus 05:59, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

This article is not merely a list. Please make the move war between Prime Minister of Spain and President of the Government of Spain and not a "list of" title. --Jiang 09:08, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

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Name/Date formats & Zapatero

Why are the earlier Prime Ministers in the format "Garcia, Juan" and the more recent ones in the format "Juan Garcia"? The earlier format is wrong and should be changed. And why is Zapatero here when he has not yet taken office? He could die tomorrow. The April 2 date is pure speculation. I will fix these errors. Adam 08:13, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Well, now that you've most certainly looked at the source, you saw that there was a "TO BE DONE" message there to alert editors to change both name and date formats in first entries. I know it was wrong when I added them, but I didn't have the time to change them to the proper format. --Cantus 00:50, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Removal of two military labels

Francoist presidents of the Government Torcuato Fernández-Miranda and Carlos Arias Navarro were NOT soldiers but civilian politicians. In addition, Arias Navarro was a INCUMBENT president, not an ACTING one

Requested move

Contradictory information: the "move template" at the top of this page suggests a move to President of the Government of Spain; WP:RM suggests moving to Prime Minister of Spain. Either would be an improvement on where it is now, but my vote goes to Prime Minister of Spain as where it really should be. –Hajor 19:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Template:Moved The vote below is no longer active. violet/riga (t) 17:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The article should not be renamed or moved

no votes

Propose that this article be renamed and moved to President of the Government of Spain

• Support - As per CIA World Factbook. After all, we use Taoiseach instead of Irish Prime Minister across Wikipedia. Plus the current name —Prime Minister of the Government of Spain— is an absurd hybrid. —Cantus…☎ 21:26, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)

Propose that this article be renamed and moved to Prime Minister of Spain.

• Support, –Hajor 19:58, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support, of course. James F. (talk) 11:40, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support. There are a lot of countries where the Head of Government is formally titled as "President of the..." but the position is best known in English as "Prime Minister". Certainly on the British media the office holder is never called anything but "Prime Minister". Timrollpickering 13:52, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• Support -- the form most likely to be linked to and searched for. Jonathunder 16:11, 2005 Jun 19 (UTC)

Discussion

• Comment - From CIA World Factbook:

  chief of state: King JUAN CARLOS I (since 22 November 1975); Heir Apparent Prince FELIPE, son of the monarch, born 30 January 1968
  

  head of government: President of the Government Jose Luis RODRIGUEZ ZAPATERO (since 17 April 2004); First Vice President (and Minister of the Presidency) Maria Teresa FERNANDEZ DE LA VEGA (since 18 April 2004) and Second Vice President (and Minister of Economy and Finance) Pedro SOLBES (since 18 April 2004) —Cantus…☎ 03:28, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)