Talk:Slovakia
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Official Name
Cut para claiming wrong use of Slovak Republic. Especially among ethnic minorities overuse of the informal Slovakia is seen as oppressive. garryq 16:50, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
The above sentence is so ridiculous in any aspect that I even hesitate to answer it. Slovakia is the official (not informal) short form for the long form Slovak Republic, just like France for the French Republic, Poland for the Republic of Poland, Romania and so on, regardless of whether there are ethnic minorities or not. There are not more ethnic minorities in Slovakia than in most other European countries.Juro 9 May 2004 (UTC)
- I agree with Juro that name Slovakia is ok. For example the country information page of the Slovak government http://www.government.gov.sk/english/slovakia.html is titled Slovakia. However, I think the second paragraph of the article is too prominent place to explain some inappropriate use of the term Slovak republic by some authors of economic texts. Rather mention that Slovakia recently joined EU and NATO. One reason for using the long name Slovak republic may be to make it less similar to Slovenia.
- Sorry, forgot to sign the above. Brona 23:33, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
- Without even seeing this, I edited this part of the article... should be reasonably okay now, the language should be fairly neutral and the position fairly acceptable. --Shallot 15:43, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I left here some solecism (xample: ehole) and link to Abov Turna instead of Abov and Turna (separated). Prešpork county was almost whole in Slovakia, but it“s impossible to edit this page now (I don“t know why). So I am sorry.--Kristo 22:08, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Historical regions
Is it necessary to create new page for List of historical regions of Slovakia? These regions are still ,,alive" between people, you can also buy books, maps or turistic handbooks about them although they aren“t oficial regions of Slovakia. Their names are much more used among people to call their homeland than present-day regions. In my opinion, it is better and more useful to display their names and map on main page about Slovakia. --Kristo 16:15, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Date of independence
I recognize the independence of Slovakia as 1918 because simply put of the two nations comprising Czechoslavia Slovakia always remained the independent fragment. Vital Component..
That's what you do...This does not conform with the usual definition of independence of a state (the rise of the Byzantine Empire - if there was a particular date - is not the independence of Greece) and above all not the self-definition of Slovakia.Juro 17:17, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
External links
What about the newly added huge set of links...Is that OK? Juro 20:47, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
History of Slovakia
Surely there should be something on the history of Slovakia? It followed a distinct path from the Czech Republic (different parts of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and has been independent for more than 12 years. Jackiespeel 17:34, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)
What are you referring to, i.e. what are you trying to suggest? There is a (bad) article on the History of Slovakia Juro 04:32, 24 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I keep adding the indi. date as 1918 because every time Czechoslavia would fall Slovakia would re-emerge. We saw that in WWII. They have continous heritage. Syria and Egypt merged but Egypt's independence date is still 1920 somthing.. [user:Vital Component|Vital Component]
But you are asking for an edit war. While I agree that creation of Czechoslovakia is worth mentioning, the date of Slovakia independence is indeed generally accepted as of 1993-1-1, while 1918-10-28 has more lukewarm reception. 'Division by Nazi Germany" should not be mentioned in the main floating table, since the existence of WWII Slovakia has been retroactively nullified by WWII victorious parties, and is therefore unofficial and current day Slovakia is not a continuation of WWII Slovakia (it certainly deserves mentioning in the article text, and there should be probably a separate article on WWII Slovakia). Anyway, the entries as written by you are les than clear when viewed by someone not already familiar with the matter - I tried to clarify it a bit and make a more acceptable compromise - though no doubt someone is going to revert the changes anyway :-) rado 09:09, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I really cannot find a better word for this than "ridiculous". I mean, this is so obviuous that if you just switch on your brain for a second and look at the other country articles you cannot come to a conclusion that the independence of SK can be given in the table as 1918. The independence of SK is 1993, 1918 is the independence of CS which has a separare article; otherwise we would have to change articles on form. YU, Soviet etc. states + add the date independence of GB to the independence of USA etc. ... Most of the other country articles do not even mention the "division of Czechoslovakia" part. Juro 18:57, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)
WWII victorious parties? The same ones who in WWI for reasons unclear put Samoa under New Zealand's control do to them not being White enough to govern? The same allies that for reasons unclear forced Croatia back into a ethnically bias union with Yugoslavia? The same victorious allies that decided that even though SA believed in the concepts of White power it would be a pretty cool idea to give then Namibia for 45 years! The same allies that refused to stop Italy's invasion of Ethiopia but then subsequently took over Somalia in 1945 and then returned Somalia to 1950-1960 to Italy an axis power instead of all out independence? Rado I considor the ALLIES TO BE NULL! When you stop being naive perhaps the effects of the "cool-aid" will wear off.. Juro what is Gambia's independence? 1989 or 1965? Senegambia had no effect due to the fact that it was a UNION. Czechs withen Czechoslavakia insisted on trying to dominate the goverment. Ironically Slovakia continue to rise after Nazi Germany's annexation. Because of this that makes Slovakia the succesor to Czechoslavia sense SLOVAKIA was always the remaining independent half. Juro I suggest you cut the bullshit and give your newage-ism a rest. You probally were stupid enough to also think Kosovo and Somaliland would get independence through peaveful means.. Probally never lifted a fist in your life..a shame. -- V.C.
V.C, yes, the same victorious parties - we might not like the ethics of WWII outcome, but we are living in their world and their heritage, and what they said was legal IS legal by definition (we may argue about it, we may disagree with it but it is all we can do - to translate Cimrman's famous saying). Anyway, this is far off topic - go to Alternative history (fiction) if you want to discuss this. AND, what was my main point, your entry IS NOT CLEAR. For a casual reader, (s)he has no idea what "division" and "unification" are you talking about - just read the text after yourself. But, I am not going to fix it, since juro is goint to revert the changes anyway :-) rado 08:24, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Why would a casual ready be reading a history section? To better understand Slovakia you and others should look in to Jozef Tiso. Why cater to the type a guy who'd think in his mind that when you said Prussia you accidently really mean Russia?? The final disolution is clear but to make it clear Slovakia has always heald its weight. -V.C.
Imagine a similar hypothetical entry about Egypt - if you mentioned "independence from UK", then "unification" and then "division" without further clarification, you would confuse readers to no end - not just an ordinary american idi^H^H^Hcitizen, but many other people just do not know about the United Arab Republic! (incidentaly, real article about Egypt mentions just "independence from UK" in the floating table, not the division of UAR). And I think I understand 'Slovakia' enough, thank you. rado 10:14, 2 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It would confuse them? Do you think Egypt cares about anyones opinions? Do you think these countries care? The UN you believe in causes them trouble to no end. Slovakia was always the last bit of resistance and should be counted as Czechoslavia itself just as Russia and not Estonia is considored the U.S.S.R. or Serbia-Montenegro id Yugoslavia. Give the liberal bullshit a rest already. Maybe it applys these days but the Slovakia I speak of lived in the age of when these (holds up fists) were used. Slovakia of the Axis predates these new age accords that try to set so many rules. Try to show some gotdamn respect for these people! --V.C.
I thought I understood your position, but now I am not so sure anymore - a piece of incoherent rant against who know what, and your entry makes little sense - I am withdrawing and letting juro deal with you - even if I might not agree with him in some points, but at least it is possible to discuss things with him in a more intelligent matter. This should be an encyclopędia, not a political message board. rado 08:54, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
If that were the case I'd say you should disregard your Internationlismistic/UN/League of Nations believe and except things for what they are. Slovakia and Czechoslovakia are 1 in the same due to Slovakia's history of retainted independence. Oh and do you think u r cool or something using that ę?? It probally took you about ten minutes to find that character. --V.C.
Strange is, I mostly agree with your opinions and (dis)belief - but obviously, we are into personal insults by now, and you obviously are not going to listen to (any) logic anymore. And yes, I think I am cool, unlike you (took me about 0.1 seconds... <compose>ae, in case you wonder, I am typing in under X11, and btw read an entry about Encyclopedia). Have a nice day. rado 14:09, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Oh he pasted it. LOOKY LOOKY HES ONE SMART COOKIE... The point I stick by my beliefs that Czechosl. and Slovakia are the same. I believe my argument is suffient. Oh pardon me there is a whole list of characters under the window. How handy. Now if you believe there are any flaws in my continuation theories I really would like to hear them. --V.C.
Pasted? No, I used the X11 compose mechanism. OK, now in your eagerness to offend me you revealed your cluelessness and ignorance. The morale: Don't feed the trolls. Have a good time. rado 08:36, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Revert war
There currently is a revert war going on on this article. Actually, it is not a reversion war according to that page, because there are more than just two individuals involved. It rather appears to be one individual (Vital Component (talk • contribs)) against the rest.
I'm no expert on Slovakia, and I don't have an opinion on what should be the right version. However, there are some signs that make Vital Component suspect to me:
- VC is clearly imposing his/her POV against the will of a majority.
- In the above discussion he/she refuses to take the levelheaded attempts of other individuals seriously.
- Several of his/her edits reintroduce typos or remove links to relevant articles – these appear to be collateral damage of rash reverting:
- 01:30, 2005 Mar 25: reintroduced typo
- 01:58, 2005 Mar 23: link to Candle demonstration in Bratislava removed
- 19:03, 2005 Mar 22: link to Candle demonstration in Bratislava removed
- 04:22, 2005 Mar 20: deleted several interwiki links; reintroduced typo
Sebastian 10:24, 2005 Mar 26 (UTC)
- Further, Vital Component's insults cannot be helpful. Maurreen 16:10, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I d not believe mu views are POV. I believe this rediculous UN rhetoric of you people must go. Why you might enjoy this age of the "international community" interfering in the rights of people on the pretext of evoiding wars which are unavoidable the case of Slovakia your cowardice and new age-ism is clearly trumped. If Russia is considored to be the former USSR THen I say Slovakia is t0o be considored the former CZECHOslovakia. Following CZ.'s fall to Nazi Germany in '38 Slovakia remained the only independent act. Now when it comes to countries invading others you ppl are all talk and not likely to do anything in defense. With that stated Slovakia's tendecy to remain sovereign clearly makes it the successor state in all regards. If anyone is bias it is to hippy/internet warriors. This is nothing mre then a mere case of realpolitik prevailing over your own naivity and ignorance and of course bias. With tha out of the way I'll address Sebastions points. He is probally right in regards to links being overedited. If everyone is happy with the current information I'll simply just changed the ind. date. V.C.--