Talk:South Ossetia

This country has not been recognized as independent by any other nations, yet it's been given as an entry as a separate country. Also, the declaration of its indpenence is listed as coming in 1944. Also, the map shown is that of Iceland, although this region is in Russia. Moncrief, 7 Mar 2004

The Iceland stuff want remain. I just use it when adding the tables to the unrecognized countries. South Ossetia is at independent as Chechnya or her East African counterpart Somaliland. They have succesfully fought the goverment of Georgia and that gives there decleration of independence some truth. She has fought a civil war and was not demolished and thats why her "independence" holds water. Vital Component, 7 mar 2004 3:40 pm U.S. Eastern Standard Time.

I can't see the harm in having the table there. It's a defacto state, and I don't think a table specifies it as an independent country - especially when it says "Recognition - None". Perhaps recognition could be linked to an article on international recognition of states. Ambivalenthysteria 22:18, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It makes it pretty clear that the country isn't yet recognized by other countries, and like the previous poster said, its de facto independence is valid. I don't myself think that recognition is in the cards but as long as the situation remains like this I think that they deserve the box that widely recognized countries get.

The article is well-written, and remarkably neutral for a subject that might otherwise be really hot, so...my compliments to the authors.Adam Faanes 21:01, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)

South Ossetia has de facto recognition but regardless of how well they are known. It appears that Ossetians have won the conflict and i fell to see the point in widtholding recognition when South Ossetia won the conflict. Why claim what you cant control if you cant control what you claim? I think South Ossetia is deserving of a box .Vital component 05-19-2004 4:40 AM (EST)

Personal opinions are frankly irrelevant here - South Ossetia is not a recognised independent state. However, I agree that it deserves an infobox, as a national subentity - I think the current box is fine. -- ChrisO 10:20, 20 May 2004 (UTC)

South Ossetia is not an independent state and will not be for a couple of reasons:

• First of all, Russian supported separatist government in Tskhinvali does not ask for independence, instead they want to become a part of Russia;
• And, second, it is a historical Georgian territory, still partially populated by ethnic Georgians and controlled by the Georgian government. Therefore, for Russians to annex South Ossetia, they may have to ethnically cleanse the remaining Georgian population there, which, hopefully, the international community will not allow them to do so, nor the current Georgian government will surrender without putting up a fight like they did in 1991 after Yeltsin’s threats to bomb Tbilisi.

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Does anyone kno the political parties of the presidents kokoity or Chibirov or Torez Kulumbegov or Znaur Nikolayevich Gassiyev ? ANY info on the latter two would be nice..Vital component

Hi ChrisO, Could you please reference the source of "In April 1922, following fierce fighting between White Russian and Soviet forces the "South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast" (i.e. district) was formed." Something wrong there in terms of the timeline. Also, "fierce" sounds to me like POV and translation from embellished Russian (Soviet) textbooks. Kober's formulation seems more logical and clear to me as I remember Ossietians got an autonomy status thanks to a red army installed Bolshevik government in Tbilisi, in particular the guy named Sergo Orjonikidze. They might have supported Reds against Whites, and that eventually helped them to lobby for an autonomy status like in the case of Lakoba and Abkhazians, but again they could not achieve an autonomous district status without Bolsheviks sitting in Tbilisi. I'd suggest to remove the reference to "fierce fighting" and have a neutral formulation - In April 1922 South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast was formed. Thanks, bjs. thanks, bjs