Talk:Spanish missions in California

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1 I have a question 2 Requested move 2.1 Discussion 2.2 Decision 3 Baja missions

I have a question

This is very cool, but I have a question. This article seems to be about the missions in the present day US. What about the missions in present day Mexico? I can't find articles on them, so am trying to write them, eg Misión San Javier. Can anyone help? Moomintrollmania 00:19, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Requested move

Spanish Missions of California → California mission, the previous title of the article. There was no discussion to move the article, and I think the simpler title is both non-ambigiuos, briefer, and more easily linked to. Gentgeen 00:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

The move was also part of dividing the original article into a series of more detailed articles (further discussion at article talk page)--Lordkinbote 06:26, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

• Weak Oppose. Now if it were plural (like California Missions), I might vote to support. No guarantee. Bastique
• Oppose. Keep current title. Agree with Lordkinbote. BlankVerse ∅ 11:33, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

I know it looks like I moved this article, but I was cleaning up a cut and paste move. Having said that, in my opinion, the old title was better, and the article should be moved back to California mission. Gentgeen 00:01, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• • Oppose. I don't know about all the voting, but someone mentioned Mexican missions above, so maybe it should be "Spanish missions of California" to contrast with "Spanish missions of Mexico [and/or, like, Guatemala]," but mostly I'm just here to say it should definitely be Spanish missions [LOWER CASE] of California, not Missions. jengod 02:13, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

• Oppose. "Spanish Missions of..." puts the subject in the much broader context of Spanish Missions of México (a planned article) and Spanish Missions in Trinidad (an existing article) and is in keeping with current academic trends regarding this subject which is why the original one article was split into a series.--Lordkinbote 06:22, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

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From WP:RM page VOTING AND (COMMENTS) MOVED HERE

• • Oppose. I don't know about all the voting, but someone mentioned Mexican missions above, so maybe it should be "Spanish missions of California" to contrast with "Spanish missions of Mexico [and/or, like, Guatemala]," but mostly I'm just here to say it should definitely be Spanish missions [LOWER CASE] of California, not Missions. jengod 02:13, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. The new title and article format is MUCH better and more specific than the original, and less ambiguous (review the initial talk page comments made by Moomintrollmania for instance). Renaming the article did not require prior discussion according to the Wikipedia guidlines as "The scope of the article has (clearly) been reduced, extended or otherwise changed". I applaud Lordkinbote's major contributions not only to the main article but to all of the sub-articles as well over the last few months. Efforts to improve Wikipedia such as these should be encouraged, not interfered with!--Pkuchinski 07:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I would be inclined to support Lordkinbote's move - his work on these and committment to the subject is considerable. I trust his judgement in moving it, it makes sense. Moomintrollmania 09:10, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Decision

Template:Notmoved violet/riga (t) 19:35, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Baja missions

OK, I need help. this site (http://www.davidksbaja.com/bajamissions/) lists these.

1. Loreto, San Bruno site, San Javier, Ligui
2. Mulege, San Jose Magdalena visita, La Presentacion visita
3. San Jose de Comondu
4. San Juan Bautista Londo visita, La Purisima, Guadalupe del Sur
5. Pilar de la Paz, Los Dolores del Sur, Santiago, San Ignacio
6. San Jose del Cabo, Todos Santos (Santa Rosa and Pilar), San Luis Gonzaga, Dolores-La Pasion
7. San Pablo visita (Dolores del Norte), El Camino Real
8. Santa Gertrudis, San Borja, Calamajue, Santa Maria de los Angeles
9. San Fernando, San Juan de Dios visita
10. El Rosario, Santo Domingo, San Vicente
11. San Miguel, Santo Tomas
12. San Pedro Martir
13. Santa Catalina, Descanso, & Guadalupe del Norte

The problem is that different people use different names - the common names are sometimes very different, and some of the ones that should exist are no longer there... Moomintrollmania 08:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

You should be able to resolve most, if not all of these based on the latest changes to the article. Another interesting website regarding Colonial Mexico is at [1] (http://www.colonial-mexico.com/).

I put some other info on your talk page.--Lordkinbote 20:30, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

• To do: Need to confirm geographical order of misións in Baja California Norte, and locate the 5 visitas geographically.--Lordkinbote 00:47, May 19, 2005 (UTC)