Talk:Universal Declaration of Human Rights
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Dispute: the actual text of the Universal Declaration contains no reference to abolition of the death penalty. Therefore, the United States is not opposed to a provision of the Declaration as such, but is opposed to a particular interpretation. Alba 23:57, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC)
I agree. Moved here until citations are provided.--Eloquence* 19:47, May 1, 2004 (UTC)
- Among the more controversial provisions in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is the disallowing of the death penalty. Many in the United States oppose this, as some states and the federal government permit the death penalty.
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Full text
I reverted an edit (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Universal_Declaration_of_Human_Rights&oldid=4222437) that included the full text of the declaration. Wikipedia is not the place for source documents; that's what we have Wikisource for.
There's already a link on this page to the Wikisource version, so I didn't bother copying it over there. --ESP 16:31, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Ten Commandments
I remember reading somewhere that the drafters of the UDHR had the Ten Commandments in mind whilst drafting, but forgot where I have read it! (the usual plight) Can someone confirm? -- Kaihsu 08:18, 2004 Jul 14 (UTC)
- This seems most unlikely, since the principal author was a Canadian lawyer, law professor, and even a dean of law. :) But seriously... from http://www.gnb.ca/hrc-cdp/e/humphre2.htm#Humphrey
- "In 1946, Humphrey was asked to set up the UN's Division for Human Rights, of which he became the Director. In this capacity, he prepared a 400 page background paper for the proposed Universal Declaration and wrote its first draft in 1947. After further drafts and revisions by various UN officials and committees, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights was adopted by the UN in 1948. Humphrey was Director of the Human Rights Division until 1966."
- As well, even a casual comparison of the Ten Commandments and the UDHR will show many areas where they do not even touch -- much less overlap or agree. -- Madmagic 13:00, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
Arguments For and Against
I would like to solicit arguments for and against posting the full text of UDHR in the article. --LegCircus 18:07, Aug 31, 2004 (UTC)
Against
- Sorry. It's already on Wikisource, and 100 other places. This article could do with some expansion, no doubt about that, but perhaps someone could write a commentary on the text of the declaration -- specific rights in each article, what they mean in practice, to what extent they are observed, etc -- rather than simply c&p-ing the text. –Hajor 18:41, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
- Against, for the reasons above. As well, posting the entire text is not Wikipedia policy, for anything but very short source materials. A summary/analysis of the source text within the article is fine, links to the full source text at the end of the article is also fine. Posting the full text within the article is not how Wikipedia works. Madmagic 01:50, Sep 1, 2004 (UTC)
Architect(s)
The fr: version describes René Cassin as a principal co-drafter, and the article on him says as much. And related to this is the category of Canadian history: is there anything more to this other than that of Prof. Humphrey being Canadian? If anything, this is world history, IMO. A-giau 06:37, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
The Nobel Committee claims that:
- [René Cassin] was a member of the United Nations Commission on Human Rights from its creation in 1946; vice-chairman from 1946 to 1955, a period which included Eleanor Roosevelt's chairmanship (1946-1953); chairman from 1955 to 1957; and again vice-chairman in 1959. The workhorse of the Commission, he was the one most responsible for the draft of the Declaration of Human Rights [1] (http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1968/cassin-bio.html)
A-giau 21:45, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Most translated???
Bible: 2100 languages. The record cited is phrased incorrectly or is just plain wrong, clearly. Daniel Quinlan 11:25, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)
- The cite is here: http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/miscinfo/record.htm . The Guinness Record is here: http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/gwr5/content_pages/record.asp?recordid=53256 . It's not clear why the declaration of human rights got the record over the Bible, except perhaps they consider a "document" to be something much, much shorter than a book. I don't know, though; requires more investigation. --ESP 16:19, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
