Talk:University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
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Need to add a places of interest and a traditions section with entries like, the old well, the YMCA, Hinton James, University Day, and Halloween.
- Reid 08:50, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Is the University of Pittsburgh properly listed in a discussion of the oldest state university? I think "state university" usually means a public institution that uses the state's name. JamesMLane 02:15, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- A "state university" is a university funded by the state and a division of the state government. In North Carolina, several of the pubicly funded "state" universities don't have "North Carolina" in the name (e.g. Western Carolina University, Elizabeth City State University, Fayetteville State University). Pittsburgh was private until the 1960's (as the article notes) but is now publicly (government) supported and is thus a "state university." -- Seth Ilys 02:22, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Well, there are two possible definitions of 'state university.' One is the more general state supported university, any public university that is part of a state's system of public higher education. This meaning of 'state university' usually derives from the fact that most state supported universities have 'state university' appended to ther name. The other is the more specific 'the state university,' the one state supported university which is considered the main state university for a particular state. Usually this is defined by law. There are, then, hundreds of state supported universities, but only 50 'the' state universities. Two such state universities identify themselves as such with their names: the State University of New York, and Rutgers [Universty], The State University of New Jersey. Obviously, which definition you choose to abide will affect which university garners the title. The more lenient definition of any state supported instution would win it for W&M, but among the actual 50 "State Universities," Rutgers wins, presently at 239 years old.
- This argument seems strained to me. The paragraph in the UNC article says that it "operated as a state university", not that it operated as the state university (let alone the "State University"). The mention of Rutgers strikes me as irrelevant and just obscuring the point actually being made. William & Mary was founded before Rutgers and was a state university before Rutgers, so Rutgers isn't really in contention. JamesMLane 06:51, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I find the following info on Pitt's website ([1] (http://www.pitt.edu/~provost/ch1_history.htm)): "A private, state-related, nonsectarian institution, the University receives an annual appropriation from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and income from endowments, tuition, gifts, grants, sponsored research, clinical activities, and private sources. ... The state-related designation provides state funds for the University's general operating budget; it makes the University eligible for state facility construction grants; yet it permits the University to remain legally a private entity and to retain most of the freedom and individuality of a private institution...." I don't think a private institution can be considered a state university. Even if it were, it doesn't seem a candidate for "oldest," given that the same site says that the former Pittsburgh Academy "achieved university status in 1819." JamesMLane 02:46, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- It's debatable... I think that you've hit at one of the points of the dispute (which is, at the very least, is worth noting). Perhaps you could refine/clarify the relevant paragraph in light of this information? -- Seth Ilys 02:48, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- Oh! I see what you mean.... William and Mary predates it, even by founding. (Looking around a little more). -- Seth Ilys 02:50, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- You're absolutely right. I've removed Pittsburgh from the paragraph, as it clearly isn't even in contention. -- Seth Ilys 02:54, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. Now all we need is an explanation of why anyone should care which school wins this title. But I can tell you that there are people at UNC who do care. :) JamesMLane 02:58, 14 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Folks, I'm going to take some steps toward making this page compliant with the Wikiproject Universities project template. Speak now or forever hold your peace. . . I don't intend to make any factual changes here - the info is all good. I'm just going to put it in a standardized order. See University of the Philippines, Diliman for an example.
Reid 05:01, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- The promised restructuring has happened. Let me know what you think. To be done:
Find a non copyvio seal to put in the table, or at least a good pic of UNC, perhaps the Old Well- Fill out sections on student orgs, athletics
(How many games did Dean win?), traditions (work in the Golden Fleece Society) - Fill out the Faculty section
- list the various schools (SPH, Law, Business, Pharm, etc.)
- The List of Presidents probably shoulod be moved to its own page - those in favor?
- A short history of Sunsite/Metalabs/Ibilio and the university's involvement is in order
- And finnally, make this page look better than Dook's or UVA's.
- Reid 22:46, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Anyone wishing to write a Dean Smith Article would do well to crib Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the year article on him: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/features/1997/sportsman/ Reid 22:54, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC)
The article stated, "The year of its foundation by a group of North Carolina philosophes coincides with the beginning of the French Revolution." An anon user changed "philosophes" to "philosophers" with the comment, "Look is philosophes even a word, I figure it is mispelled." That's clearly an error -- there is such a word -- but is there any basis for the assertion that the word is properly applied to UNC's founders? If not, maybe the whole prepositional phrase should just be deleted. JamesMLane 01:51, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
- Dictionary.com informs: Philosophes: "Any of the leading philosophical, political, and social writers of the 18th-century French Enlightenment." I have no idea if this is correct or not. Reid 14:53, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
That was basically my understanding of the term, though I thought it was a bit narrower, referring to a particular school of thought in France at that time, not to all the major writers. Either way, "philosophes" doesn't belong here, nor does "philosophers." I'll delete the phrase. JamesMLane 16:51, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC)
How about adding the Daily Tar Heel? It's unmatched. The Light on the Hill is a superb book regarding the history of the Univeristy. Also - perhaps naming the bell tower (Morehead-Patterson Bell Tower )? And Dook has "famous alumni" (not that we must constantly compare us v. them... --Mere 02:58, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Edwards on faculty?
This addition should be clarified. I wouldn't think it likely that Edwards would be teaching full-time. It would be conceivable for him to have, say, an adjunct appointment with some sort of presentations to students. What's the source for the information? JamesMLane 19:12, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Poll on University Naming Conventions
A new survey has been created to assess consensus with respect to university naming conventions, specifically regarding the usage of terms like "University of Texas" vs. "University of Texas at Austin". The poll addresses this issue both in the specific case of the "University of Maryland" and proposes an amendment to Wikipedia:Naming conventions which could impact a large number of additional pages, including this one. Dragons flight 17:41, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)
I dispute the Order of the Ghimghul's claim that their castle is the only one in NC - I have a childhood memory of a castle in the Appalachians that was privatly owned. Can anyone cast any light on this? A web search turned up little, so I didn't remove the claim. Reid 19:33, Apr 9, 2005 (UTC)