Talk:Victorian fashion
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Page is now basically a link to Vampyre fashion.
Why should it be?
Problems with page
The page seems to have been put back the way it was. Which is not so good. It is basically a list of stereotypes ABOUT Victorian fashions, and has little relation to the actual thing -- which varied enormously over the long course of Victoria's reign. Waistlines rose and fell, sleeves and skirts billowed out and then collapsed, materials and techniques continually changed, then the dress reform movement started ...
The page needs a lot of work. I'm overextended at the moment. I'll work on it when I can. Anyone else know costume history and have time? Zora 23:24, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Aargh, I did it!
Completely wiped page and wrote debunking page. Zora 05:15, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- I reverted-- a bit reluctantly, but I think you removed too much information. IMO what you wrote would be better added to the article rather than instead of what we have had. If the article presents an inaccurate but common stereotype, how about an explanation of perceptions then discussion and debunking? Other thoughts? -- Infrogmation 05:29, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- The problem is that what I removed was, as it stood, misinformation rather than information. It's going to be a lot of work to reframe it as "this is the stereotype". But I'll let this sit while I cool down ... Zora 07:48, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
- Great. I just replied on User talk:Zora. Note that your removing categories, external links, and some info that AFIK is doccumented as valid (eg, development of artificial dyes) prompted me to decide on a revert. If you're willing to rewrite with a bit more attention to not throwing out the grain in the process of getting rid of the chaff, I think we could have a much better article. Cheers, -- Infrogmation 16:10, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)
It's not finished, but I figured a sketch was better than a muddle. See what you think. Zora 14:51, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Thinking about Structure
Are the groups of decades really going to be useful? It's going to be a HUGE amount of work to fill each of those out. Perhaps "early-", "mid-" and "late-Victorian" would be less daunting? What does everyone think is the most needed addition? PKM 20:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Possibly not useful. I'd go with your suggestion. Especially if you'll do the work! Zora 21:50, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Further thought: many fashions affected both home decor and clothing, especially in this era. What do you think about organizing by trends e.g. Orientalism (Egyption > Indian > Japanese); romanticization of the Scottish Highlands; the influence of the Great Exhibition; Reaction to the industrial revolution: the Gothic revival, Pre-Raphaelites, Morris & Co; the Aesthetic movement, rational dress, Liberty of London...
- P.S. I am NOT qualified to write all of these! Might be able to sketch them out for others to help with. PKM 21:00, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
How about including both ways of looking at the material? Start with the timeline, as an overview, and then touch on the various topics. A bunch of those would merit their own articles, I'd think. Check to see how many of them are already covered.
(When I started editing on Wikipedia, I'd look for a subject under one name and if it wasn't there, start an article. After several duplications, I got better at doing wide-ranging searches.)
I started some work on rational dress ... Victorian dress reform. As is all too usual for me (alas!) I started the article and ran out of steam. Also look at tightlacing. Zora 21:18, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
