User talk:Brion VIBBER

I don't hang out on this particular wiki as often as I'd like, so may never read anything you write here. Please report problems with the software at http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/ --Brion 17:50, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You might also find me in the Wikipedia:IRC channels.


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Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 1000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

OR

Option 2
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:
{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new)| talk) 19:10, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

RFC pages on VfD

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:26, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

No clue. --Brion 21:10, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

uid is red

Hi, My user id got red. Why did this happen, where can I read information about this? Thanks, Antifinnugor 12:44, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

évolution mediawiki

Bonjour, ayant vu que vous étiez admin sur fr: ainsi que développeur sur mediawiki j'en profite pour une petite idée d'évolution : la possibilité de traduire automatiquement (avec un code comme {wikitranslate}) en utilisant les liens interwiki. En effet les traductions d'un terme sont disponibles dans les fr:, en:, jp: etc... cette info serait pratique pour les utilisateurs d'avoir une traduction 'exacte' dans toute les langues, et permettrait de rajouter du contenu! Jef-Infojef (fr:)

Tajik wikipedia

Hi. I've been trying to translate a welcome page into Tajik for http://tg.wikipedia.org/ (I don't speak the language exactly, but I know enough Persian and Cyrillic to fake it), and I was thinking that, since most literate Tajikis speak Russian and very few English, it would vastly increase the chances of the Tajik Wikipedia becoming active if the interface were in Russian rather than English. I'm told you're the person to ask about this? - Mustafaa 22:21, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Someone needs to become a sysop there and they can edit the user interface messages. See the requests for adminship page (don't know exactly where it is on this wiki atm) --Brion 00:29, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Untagged images

Hi. You uploaded Image:Cirles of confusion lens diagram.png and Image:Cirles of confusion lens diagram.svg but did not list any source and/or copyright information on the image description page. Please mark it either as GFDL or public domain. See Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags for more info. Please note that images without copyright information may be deleted in the future. Thanks. RedWolf 19:18, Dec 23, 2004 (UTC) done

Well, I'm not sure if you uploaded Image:Alfred Russel Wallace.jpg or simply moved it, but it's not tagged either. --Ricky81682 (talk) 09:52, Dec 24, 2004 (UTC)

Presumably I moved it, since that's what the note says. --Brion 10:07, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)

ALSO:

Linking lesson

Thanks for your help on IRC when I was trying to make links. I finally got it done the way I wanted it and posted it to Slashdot -- where it fairly quickly got modded up to 5 for Informative! [1] (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=133843&cid=11175657) I appreciate your patience with my low level of computer knowledge. JamesMLane 02:49, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Dates in May

Thanks for fixing the bug with dates in May. Gdr 09:13, 2004 Dec 29 (UTC)

category bug

I am not sure it is here right place to ask. But please could u help us with problems with categorisation?

sk:Ray_Bradbury is triple or for times in his categories. (It is probably new bug of mediawiki from 8. january. It is also 4 times in history like new article). Thanx! sk:redaktor:Liso

Wikisource

No image on Wikisource ; some greek ancient texts delete. Caton 08:41, 22 Jan 2005 (UTC) (sorry, i don't speak english)

Categories

Hi brion, just a first brainstorming about the category issue. What do you think about this:

  • For each category, two lists are stored in the category table:
a) A list of all articles in this category.
b) A list of all subcategories for this category.
  • Queries (i.e. opening a category page) could then be handled like this (sorry for not knowing PHP and for not knowing the concrete database structure;-), I just try a broad algorithm in pseudocode):
getArticlesForCategory(categoryname) {
  /* get subcategories and articles for this category */
  subcategories = getSubcategories(categoryname);
  articlelist = getArticlelist(categoryname);

  /* get articles of subcategories recursively */
  foreach subcat in subcategories {
    articlelist += getArticlesForCategory(subcat);
  }
  return articlelist;
}

After calling this, some sorting should be done before generating the HTML ...

You told me that there ist some child category -> parent category relation implemented currently. When I understand that correctly, the above algorithm would need the same relation, but in the other direction, i.e. parent -> child.

Its just a first shot to see that I don't go completely wrong. As you might have realized, this just describes what happens in the case of a reading access. The more difficult problem might be to handle the write access -> what happens when the relations of categories are changed? This would result in shifting around lots of entries in the category table. However, I guess the change of categories is an event which occurs not quite often, and it might be worth the effort.

What do you think? What might be the biggest problem with this approach? Best regards Matthias, 217.234.187.236 17:29, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The problem with this approach is that categories can grow very large. Some supercategories will contain upwards of a hundred thousand pages via their subcategories (if not directly!); traversing the entire hierarchy to list the first couple hundred alphabetically is likely to be fairly inefficient. That's why we currently don't traverse the hierarchy, and show only one level of depth at a time.
Note also that you'd need to add loop detection to that algorithm.
Writing is the easy case in this system (which would work -- but too slowly -- on our current category link structure); shifting a category around requires only removing any individual parent<->child links removed, and adding only any individual parent<->child links added. --Brion 08:48, Feb 11, 2005 (UTC)
I have to think about this. I can see the problems with queries over all wikipedia pages. However, just that we don't get that wrong: When we want to display much information, we have to read much information. Usually, we would like to display just the first 50 or so entries. But some people might also be interested in an alphabetically sorted list of all articles of a certain area, lets say math. Look at how this is realized now (happily enough I did not have to do this): http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Liste_mathematischer_Themen/A. This is a "list of mathematical issues" for the character "A". Much work, done by hand. Probably only a part of all articles that allready exist is listed here. Keeping it up to date would be a fulltime job. With some research, I could give you similar examples for lots of areas.
Can you give me a hint about these questions:
  • If there is a user with thousands of edits, when one views his "user contributions", only a page of 20 or 50 edits are displayed. How does the database query look like to do this? Something like "select edit from page where user='xy' and modifydate > dd:mm:yy"? Wouldn't this result in a query over all sets in the page table? So I guess the solution is different?
  • How is the Recentchanges-query handeled? Is there a special table with articles and the more recent modify dates?
I just try to figure out if its possible to split the query in the way "Give me first 50 or 100 or 500 entries of category Animal and all its subcategories". So I want to get an impression how this is done for other potentially big queries ... Best regards --Mkleine 01:59, 12 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The tables of edits are indexed on the user+timestamp combination, making a date-sorted list of user contributions easy to retrieve.
Recentchanges does use a limited summary table, though this was originally driven by limitations in MySQL 3.x's sorting optimization. Today, the recentchanges table contains additional transitory information not in the main tables, which is discarded after the entries expire. Again, the sorting is done on an optimized index based on timestamp.
Unfortunately MySQL doesn't provide a handy-dandy automated way of building indexes for tree or graph relationships. If were to build an index of 'deep' memberships ourselves, this would optimize the case of reading a 'deep' list in whole or in part extracted by order. However when the category graph changes, we'd have to traverse up and down fixing up entries; the danger of this is that if a lot of memberships need to be changed this can be *very* slow, leading to lock delays and conflicts which prevent people from getting things done. Alternately, the 'deep' index could be explicitly updated only periodically, warning users that display may be inaccurate. --Brion 10:54, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

Vőro Wikipedia

Hi Brion!

I asked for creation of Vőro Wikipedia last month in foundation-l and in request page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages#V.C3.B5ro_Wikipedia.). Angela forwarded it also to the Wikipedia-l.

It was proposed in the discussion that the code for Vőro Wikipedia could be for the first time fiu-vro or fiu-voro. There was no objections against creating.

Mark Williamson (in Wikipedia-l Feb 13 (http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2005-February/037520.html)) suggested to ask you to create it.

I hope you can do it. If there is something I must do before, please say me. Text on the Vőro Wikipedia logo could be:

"Vikipeediä" "Vaba entsüklopeediä"

Regards Sulev --Vőrolang 12:40, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

No answer yet :( Any news about creating Vőro Wikipedia? --Vőrolang 17:18, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

"text-decoration: none" for special characters at the bottom of edit window?

Hello,

The list of special characters at the bottom of the edit window would probably work better with "text-decoration: none". It would work well if the underline under each special character showed only on mouseover, like the left-hand side menu. Is there a way to accomplish this (using a different class from "plainlinks", for instance)?

Another thought, maybe there could be an #editpage-specialchars (and Mediawiki:Specialchars) separate from #editpage-copywarn and Mediawiki:Copyrightwarning, so that everyone could adjust their CSS preferences accordingly, to customize the special characters list or remove it entirely. -- Curps 09:15, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Someone interested in this could add the appropriate tag into the message. --Brion 23:10, Feb 19, 2005 (UTC)


OK, I added id="editpage-specialchars" to Mediawiki:Copyrightwarning for the special characters div.

And I have edited Mediawiki:Monobook.css to do no underlining in the special characters listing (useful for Ç ç and ogonek diacritics Ą ą Ę ę Į į Ų ų):

  • #editpage-specialchars a { text-decoration: none; }
  • #editpage-specialchars a:hover { text-decoration: underline; }

This solves the problem (at least for users of the Monobook interface). Thanks. -- Curps 10:51, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia mirrors

Hi, i have found several sites (hallencyclopedia.com, enzyklopadie.cc, ...) which seems to be copy of wikipedia with advertising. Is it Ok to use Wikipedia content is such way? --Gutsul 18:29, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Broadly speaking yes, if they are not violating the license in other ways. See Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. --Brion 21:36, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Brion

Do you have a brother named Kelson? http://www.deryni.net/rampantlion.htm

RickK 00:31, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Yep. :) --Brion 01:28, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)
Coolness! I love the Deryni books. RickK 05:09, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC)

Punjabi Language Wikipedia

Hi,

I've been trying to get the Punjabi language Wikipedia up and going for some while yet but nobody seems to be attending to my bug reports. I've tried (although not sure if it was successful) to update the PHP file to REL 1.4. I was wondering if you can take a look at it?

Bug #1478 (http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1478)

Thanks - Sukh 21:30, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

There's a lot of language files to process and they've not all been gotten to yet... --Brion 00:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Another category idea

Hi there! I've been thinking of another way to deal with the category wildgrow and I would like to know what you think of it. The main reason for flatting seems to be that someone searching for "Writers" will also want to see the people mentioned in "English Writers" (maybe because he doesn't know the nationalitity of a writer he's seeking, or doesn't care). A related problem is that this tends to turn any permutation of categories into a new category of it's own (e.g. "16th century English scientists"). And all of these, insofar they make sense, need be manually generated (e.g. all nation/profession combos).

A possible solution would be to define a number of categories (and distribute articles accordingly) then allow any cross-section of two categories to be automatically searched for or generated. Thus a user could search for Category:England&Writer to obtain the category of English writers. Such an intersection query would be slower than a regular one, but caching seems to be a feasible solution. It seems also feasible to limit the cross-section to two categories because otherwise, a query is very likely to return zero articles (and make caching unfeasible). Cross-sections are only allowed within the same hierarchy (e.g. people, or geography).

An added bonus is that it automatically enforces uniformity on category definitions. There'd still be the need for some kind of category tree, but it can be a lot smaller (e.g. people -> people from England). Radiant! 15:39, Mar 1, 2005 (UTC)

There's some partial code for this lying about somewhere. I'm not sure if there's an efficiency problem with it or if it's just not been gotten to... --Brion 00:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)
  • Does that mean it's going to be implemented? Or would you prefer a RFC about the matter? Or something else? (btw I'm not sure how categories are stored, but if a cat stores the links to the articles, rather than the other way around, then given the short size of most cats it would not be inefficient to cross-reference a number of them and create the semi-cat of 'Female English Biologists that play Golf') Radiant! 11:34, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

any need of a developer ?

introducing myself

Hi, I'm a french computer scientist, I'm close to the hacker spirit but I don't consider myself a hacker, I have some competences in information system conception and optimisation, algorithm, Internet, user support, information and communication, I'm often known for being able to raise the good question, and as you can see by yourself I'm quite fluent in english. I've been using wikipedia as a reader for a while before I decide to become a contributor. At the moment my efforts go toward the wikipedia namespace of the french wikipedia, and translating vital missing elements, I'm also working on this article fr:Qu'est-ce qui différencie un acronyme d'un rétro-acronyme ?. I'm currently blocked for 24h which is one of the reasons I'm using this webpage and not the french one.

What I have to say

I I've got a bunch of idea to improve and ease the wikipedia use by wikipedians, but I don't what to do with them. I know nothing yet about the mediaWiki except its name, but I don't mind learning the mediaWiki language, if developers are needed. But my main goal is not to be a developper, what I enjoy most is contributing to articles.

If interested in the software, you might want to subscribe to wikitech-l and mediwiki-l mailing lists (http://mail.wikipedia.org/) and hang about in #mediawiki on irc.freenode.net, where we tend to organize development activity. --Brion 00:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

questions about GFDL

Along my journey on wikipedia, some cases of GFDL related problems have been shown to me. Do you know, where I should talk about these problems. Izwalito 21:48, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Try the Wikipedia:Village pump. --Brion 00:45, Mar 9, 2005 (UTC)

Page move restrictions

Hi, somebody indicated you said on IRC that the page move restriction for new accounts had been enabled on Monday or thereabouts. Could you confirm this for me? --Michael Snow 05:51, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Yep. I mentioned it on one of the Village Pumps at the time. --Brion 06:04, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Mass destruction at IA.wikipedia

Hi Brion VIBBER,

Ik found an old mass destruction at IA.wikipedia:

[2] (http://ia.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=24.70.95.206&limit=500&offset=0)

Is there any way to repair that automated? It's quite to much to repair it manual. Jcbos 15:04, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

SVG sanitizer

There is now an SVG sanitizer at User:aarchiba/SVG sanitizer. Does this resolve the security issues with SVG? It would be extremely useful to be able to upload SVG files (whether or not the Wiki makes any attempt to render them). --Andrew 21:34, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

Definitely not sufficient. There are many places where script items can appear that are not dealt with by that code. --Brion 22:13, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

IA.wikipedia

Hi Brion VIBBER, a steward made me temporary sysop to undo the vandalisme. I subscribed here (http://ia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administratores) to become a normal sysop, if you like you can post there a vote. Jcbos 22:42, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)


Nofollow comment

I noticed that you announced that nofollow had been suspended on en for the moment. However, it hasn't been suspended for the user pages. I don't disagree particularly with this decision but I do happen to think it is somewhat dishonest no to state this categorically: or was it a mistake?

Dear mysterious person who wrote this comment and a similar one at Wikipedia:Nofollow and then removed them both without explanation: there is no such partial suspension; nofollow is either globally enabled or globally disabled. You were probably looking at cached copies of pages which hadn't been modified since the configuration was changed. Your mysterious removal of your comments might be due to your noticing that the pages didn't in fact contain nofollow after you had started an editing session, which alters the caching behavior. I do happen to think it is somewhat dishonest to remove your comments silently without noting that you were wrong: or was it a mistake? --Brion 00:35, Mar 20, 2005 (UTC)
I think he removed them after noticing that they were on the main page as opposed to the Talk page; I've seen other anons make similar mistakes (thinking we're UseModWiki). He probably didn't repost them on the Talk page because you had answered here in the interval. I could be wrong, though. --Slowking Man 06:58, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)
If you look at the contribution history (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=82.152.199.111) you'll see that the Mysterious Poster first posted the comment here on my talk page, then on Wikipedia:Nofollow a few minutes later. Ten minutes after that, they removed the comment from both locations without explanation... hours before I ever saw the comment, much less replied. I don't mind a question, but it's kind of weird to make what seems to be a pointed accusation (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Nofollow&diff=prev&oldid=11288826) and then just wipe it out without so much as an "oops I was wrong sorry for accusing you of subverting democracy". --Brion 07:11, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Hi Brion VIBBER, thanks for reverting the vandalism at the IA.wikipedia frontpage. Jcbos 11:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Egyptian_language "Cyrillic" is totally and utterly wrong. I've changed it. (Note that the date in "Arabic became the oficial Egyptian language after the Arabian invasions circa 2AD." is also totally and utterly wrong. If someone knows a correct date for that, please fix.) --Brion VIBBER

I should know exactly, but my course of studies (A.B., Comparative Religion, Emory U.,1968) didn't dwell on the history of Islam. I think you could do a boolean search on "history + Islam" and find out. But I'm pretty sure that after the fall of Mecca in the 7th century, Islam spread to Egypt within a century. I think, allowing a couple of hundred years for the transition, a date of circa 1000 would be about right, but I'm too busy to check just now.

The reason I went to the page (and I'm not a Wikian)was to check the transcription of the Coptic for the name 'amen'in 'Tutankhamen', which is there given as /ymn/. Since /y/ (used formally by American linguists for /j/) was discarded by the International Phonetic Association (IPA), this symbol has not been used in IPA transcription, to my knowledge. The proper transcription, I believe, is the Arabic letter "'ayin", which looks similar to /y/ but isn't available on the Wikipedia editing page--nor here. The "'ayin" is wider and squattier than English 'y'. --Bill Burton

Rename request for the developers-team

Hi Brion, I'm really not sure how to get in touch with the developers, so I'm gonna try it thru your talk-page. Some time ago I put a request on my own talk-page to rename my account on the nl:wikipedia. See nl:Overleg gebruiker:Moribunt#Rename request for the developers-team. Would you or any other developer please take some time to make this change? Thanks a lot in advance, regards, 2005Theo @ 9 apr 2005 16:07 (CEST)

User Bello

Hello!

I created the user account "Bello" and forgot to enter an e-mail address. That's now my problem: I can't remember the password and want to give this account to a friend. Because I didn't do anything with this account I think it is possible to delete it and then create it again (a German admin said that to me). Can you help me with this?

-- Serpens 19:16, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Bugzilla Templates and Patches

Hi Brion -- Not sure if you will read this ;-) Anyways, I contacted Timwi for a copy of the templates and patches he applied to bugzilla to make it wiki like. And he referred me too you... This is what he said "Please contact Brion VIBBER and ask him to provide you with a copy of the "templates" directory on MediaZilla's running install. I don't think I have it anymore, myself. — Timwi 08:13, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)"


Would you be able to provide this? If not, it is not a huge deal and I understand.


Thank you, Cory (coryjo at gmail dot com)


BTW, This is was my orignal message to him:


I am very interested in the templates and patches you created for Bugzilla (Great work by the way!) and would like to do the same for my local wiki+bugzilla installation. Unfortunately, the links to the needed files no longer exist (404 Not Found). Do you know if they have been moved elsewhere? and are still available to the public? The links in question: [1] (http://download.wikimedia.org/bugzilla/bugzilla-custom.tgz) and [2] (http://download.wikimedia.org/bugzilla/bugzilla-patch.diff). Thanks in advance, Cory

I did put files at http://albert.wikimedia.org/mediazillatemplate.tar.gz, though, it is temporary location... Domas Mituzas 20:29, 2005 Apr 14 (UTC)
Thank you! Cory
Would it be possible for you to also put template/en/default/global/footer.html.tmpl online? It appears this was modified in the default location instead of the custom directory. (It is missing from the above tar you posted) -- Cory (April 20th 2005)

Bug #1910

Hi, Brion. As you told me before, I submitted the translation of namespaces at Ka to Bugzilla (bug #1910). The bug is apparently fixed in Bugzilla but I still see the old namespaces (except for Category, which you translated yourself). Is there something missing to make these changes appear in Wikipedia? Thanks -- Malafaya 15:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Should be live now. Avar checked in the changes to the source control system but they weren't installed on the live server at that time. --Brion 23:14, Apr 18, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks once again

WikiThanks
Here's a WikiThanks for making settings set for non-English languages accessible. Props. -- Kizor 20:20, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Praise for your Maori work - and a question

Dear Brion, if you can manage a couple of minutes off wikibreak, I (and maybe others) would appreciate your thoughts on my question in the "ancient history" I've just written at http://mi.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Brion_VIBBER

No hurry! Robin Patterson 11:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Bug in recent changes

Yeah, man, good job, it works great now! Thanks!--Orgullomoore 00:12, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Template parameter expansion bug

I have a suspicion that one of your recent security fixes broke a widely-used pair of templates. See Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates#Extremely important problem! and User talk:Raul654#Reference templates. --cesarb 18:02, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why be suspicious when it's already known? --Brion 23:03, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you so much, logging in works!--Fenice 08:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Danke (Thanks)

Thanks again for your help via IRC with getting back into my account.
Peter McGinley 10:19, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Page cut in half

I've seen two instances this week of a page being truncated after editing, possibly because of a server error half-way past storing it. Anyone know what's up? Radiant_>|< 09:36, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)

Can you give a link to those instances? I thought I'd put in some protection against incomplete page submissions, but it's possible that it either isn't complete or it doesn't quite apply in some cases. It may or may not help to see the examples. --Brion 00:52, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
  • Certainly. One instance is here, [3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_policy/Reducing_VfD_load&diff=14951707&oldid=14951600) and [4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_policy/Reducing_VfD_load&diff=14967750&oldid=14951707). The other, I cannot reproduce since it popped up during 'preview' and at that point I thought it wise to cancel that edit and restart from scratch. It was RickK's talk page, if that's any help. Radiant_>|< 09:06, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
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